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Old 06-08-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Does anyone here remember George McGovern? He was the democrat who was trounced by Richard Nixon in 1972. This was less than two years before Nixon resigned in disgrace.

We democrats watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and listen to NPR on the radio. We read the East coast and West coast newspapers. Some of the East coast newspapers are especially tough on Trump. Lets look at Donald Trump. He is the white people's champion. Many are under the delusion that he will bring back those jobs that could actually feed and house a family. What is true about him is that he is the first one to really end the Marshall plan. He recognizes that America is in competition with the rest of the world, and the treaties that have sped up the loss of good jobs in America must be repudiated.

Getting back to the title of this thread. There was an amusing cartoon in Playboy in late 72 or early 73 that has the caption at the bottom of the page which says "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I know voted for him".

Is there reason to believe that we are in that McGovern Syndrome bubble now by expecting an overwhelming democratic victory? If so why?
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:22 AM
 
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Does anyone here remember George McGovern? He was the democrat who was trounced by Richard Nixon in 1972. This was less than two years before Nixon resigned in disgrace.

We democrats watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and listen to NPR on the radio. We read the East coast and West coast newspapers. Some of the East coast newspapers are especially tough on Trump. Lets look at Donald Trump. He is the white people's champion. Many are under the delusion that he will bring back those jobs that could actually feed and house a family. What is true about him is that he is the first one to really end the Marshall plan. He recognizes that America is in competition with the rest of the world, and the treaties that have sped up the loss of good jobs in America must be repudiated.

Getting back to the title of this thread. There was an amusing cartoon in Playboy in late 72 or early 73 that has the caption at the bottom of the page which says "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I know voted for him".

Is there reason to believe that we are in that McGovern Syndrome bubble now by expecting an overwhelming democratic victory? If so why?
You're about three years late.

That happened in 2016.

Credit to McGovern for learning from his mistakes...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...70543545022704
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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You're about three years late.

That happened in 2016.

Credit to McGovern for learning from his mistakes...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...70543545022704
You know, you are right. I woke up at 3 AM on the day after election day and decided to turn on the TV to confirm Hillary's victory. As Gomer Pyle would say "surprise, surprise, surprise".

Couldn't bring up the article. I'm sure that it is interesting. If you cut and paste the full text, I would like to read it. Thanks

What about next year. In spite of the economy, is Trump screwing up enough to really get tossed out?
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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You know, you are right. I woke up at 3 AM on the day after election day and decided to turn on the TV to confirm Hillary's victory. As Gomer Pyle would say "surprise, surprise, surprise".

Couldn't bring up the article. I'm sure that it is interesting. If you cut and paste the full text, I would like to read it. Thanks

What about next year. In spite of the economy, is Trump screwing up enough to really get tossed out?

"Screwing up"?
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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Does anyone here remember George McGovern? He was the democrat who was trounced by Richard Nixon in 1972. This was less than two years before Nixon resigned in disgrace.

We democrats watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and listen to NPR on the radio. We read the East coast and West coast newspapers. Some of the East coast newspapers are especially tough on Trump. Lets look at Donald Trump. He is the white people's champion. Many are under the delusion that he will bring back those jobs that could actually feed and house a family. What is true about him is that he is the first one to really end the Marshall plan. He recognizes that America is in competition with the rest of the world, and the treaties that have sped up the loss of good jobs in America must be repudiated.

Getting back to the title of this thread. There was an amusing cartoon in Playboy in late 72 or early 73 that has the caption at the bottom of the page which says "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I know voted for him".

Is there reason to believe that we are in that McGovern Syndrome bubble now by expecting an overwhelming democratic victory? If so why?
No.

This isn't 1972.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:18 PM
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If Bernie Sanders becomes nominee, I'm afraid we'll see a repeat of Nixon vs. McGovern 1972. Nixon, though always unpopular, won 49 states. I might concede that Bernie would win some of the Kerry states from 2004, since Trump is even more unpopular than Nixon. Kerry won the west coast, NE, and a small handful of Midwest states. W. Bush won everything else.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:23 PM
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No.

This isn't 1972.
Yes, it's still a center-right nation, possibly even slightly to the right of where it was in 1972. Americans are not going to elect a self-described socialist. I doubt that even an Elizabeth Warren would have a chance, even if she wasn't a poor campaigner.

Democrats need to select one of the more sane moderates, such as Julian Castro or Michael Bennet, and run with that.
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Yes, it's still a center-right nation, possibly even slightly to the right of where it was in 1972. Americans are not going to elect a self-described socialist. I doubt that even an Elizabeth Warren would have a chance, even if she wasn't a poor campaigner.

Democrats need to select one of the more sane moderates, such as Julian Castro or Michael Bennet, and run with that.
Who?
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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If Bernie Sanders becomes nominee, I'm afraid we'll see a repeat of Nixon vs. McGovern 1972. Nixon, though always unpopular, won 49 states. I might concede that Bernie would win some of the Kerry states from 2004, since Trump is even more unpopular than Nixon. Kerry won the west coast, NE, and a small handful of Midwest states. W. Bush won everything else.
You say "everything else" but the electoral college was 286 to 351 the actual popular vote was 2% just as it was in 2016.
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:50 PM
 
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Does anyone here remember George McGovern? He was the democrat who was trounced by Richard Nixon in 1972. This was less than two years before Nixon resigned in disgrace.

We democrats watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and listen to NPR on the radio. We read the East coast and West coast newspapers. Some of the East coast newspapers are especially tough on Trump. Lets look at Donald Trump. He is the white people's champion. Many are under the delusion that he will bring back those jobs that could actually feed and house a family. What is true about him is that he is the first one to really end the Marshall plan. He recognizes that America is in competition with the rest of the world, and the treaties that have sped up the loss of good jobs in America must be repudiated.

Getting back to the title of this thread. There was an amusing cartoon in Playboy in late 72 or early 73 that has the caption at the bottom of the page which says "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I know voted for him".

Is there reason to believe that we are in that McGovern Syndrome bubble now by expecting an overwhelming democratic victory? If so why?
I was a poor college student during that election. A friend asked me if I wanted to hand out McGovern literature on election day for $50! I was all over it. Picked up my literature that day, walked two blocks to a dumpster and tossed it all away. Went back to at 5pm and collected my $50. Good times. He was never even close to being Presidential by the American people.
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