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Old 06-09-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
No Big Pharm is because it's protected from competition by the big government you love.

Their healthcare is different than ours. It hasn't got less expensive here with Obamacare now has it?

Crony Capitalism run by the big government you love baby!

Nothing to do with the free market baby! I can understand how big government supporters have been so hoodwinked into fighting against their own self interest. They are uneducated, ignorant, and aren't adult enough to take care of themselves.

Common sense starts with understanding the crony capitalism that comes with the big government you love, squelches competition. Competition improves efficiency.
Apparently those countries with socialized medicine are able to keep drug prices under control. Why the US has higher drug prices than other countries

Now please explain how "big government" is allowing drug prices to become exorbitantly high in the US. I'll wait.
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Part A isn't free either. Medicare recipients pay into the system all their working lives, even if they get on Medicare prematurely via disability. They pay for it via taxes. Conservatives conveniently forget even welfare recipients pay for their benefits via tax dollars. Everyone pays into the system they use.
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We pay taxes for a growing list of non-employed to receive medical benefits (Medicaid, SSDI) and then we pay for ourselves. You like paying for others while having to pay for yourself too? Why not have the tax payers benefit?
Here we go again. I'm going to correct a common misconception people have about Medicaid, Medicare, and SSDI: the idea that we are freeloaders who don't pay into the system.

A. We paid into the system before we got on it. You have to in order to qualify for Medicare and SSDI.

B. Many people on disability work because disability doesn't pay enough for people to live on. I am on SSDI and work seasonally. It isn't easy, but I do it because I couldn't make my rent without it. Before posters flame me for working, consider that I am paying taxes back into the system that I am using with my above board seasonal job that SS is fully aware of, rather than earning money under the table and stealing from the government.

C. Many Medicaid recipients work as well, so they are also paying taxes into the system. Medicaid is based on income and if a person has a lousy job that doesn't offer insurance benefits, they can still qualify for Medicaid.

In short, the idea that SSDI, SS, or Medicaid beneficiaries are freeloaders who don't pay into the system is a myth. They are either paying taxes now, paid taxes before they received benefits, or both. So those taxpayers with this superiority complex can get off their high horse about it, because many more people are paying taxes into the system than they believe.
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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We pay taxes for a growing list of non-employed to receive medical benefits (Medicaid, SSDI) and then we pay for ourselves. You like paying for others while having to pay for yourself too? Why not have the tax payers benefit?
You can be employed and still receive Medicaid. The income threshold for a household of one is $17, 237.

And *I* don't mind paying for others because I have the intelligence and foresight to realize and understand that it could be me who needs those services one day.

I AM receiving those services, as I am on NYS Marketplace insurance with an advanced premium tax credit because I can't get employer-sponsored insurance at this time even though I am working. My projected 2019 income is just below the threshold for an APTC as it is, because I lost a month of wages due to being unemployed from March 8 to April 8.

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Old 06-09-2019, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
Here we go again. I'm going to correct a common misconception people have about Medicaid, Medicare, and SSDI: the idea that we are freeloaders who don't pay into the system.

A. We paid into the system before we got on it. You have to in order to qualify for Medicare and SSDI.

B. Many people on disability work because disability doesn't pay enough for people to live on. I am on SSDI and work seasonally. It isn't easy, but I do it because I couldn't make my rent without it. Before posters flame me for working, consider that I am paying taxes back into the system that I am using with my above board seasonal job that SS is fully aware of, rather than earning money under the table and stealing from the government.

C. Many Medicaid recipients work as well, so they are also paying taxes into the system. Medicaid is based on income and if a person has a lousy job that doesn't offer insurance benefits, they can still qualify for Medicaid.

In short, the idea that SSDI, SS, or Medicaid beneficiaries are freeloaders who don't pay into the system is a myth. They are either paying taxes now, paid taxes before they received benefits, or both. So those taxpayers with this superiority complex can get off their high horse about it, because many more people are paying taxes into the system than they believe.
The majority of those on Medicaid and SSDI receive much more than they paid/pay in.
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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BEFORE Medicare, your health care insurance company WOULD cover it.
Assuming you work at a job that offers insurance and you work on up to your death bed. Not sure about your plans but most folks retire around 65/66.
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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You can be employed and still receive Medicaid. The income threshold for a household of one is $17, 237.
Many of us who work a full time job and support Medicaid/SSDI/Medicare are not seeking to expel those on it, we simply want to benefit ourselves with one healthcare insurance risk pool in which everyone pays what they can and everyone qualifies.

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Old 06-09-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks View Post
Here we go again. I'm going to correct a common misconception people have about Medicaid, Medicare, and SSDI: the idea that we are freeloaders who don't pay into the system.

A. We paid into the system before we got on it. You have to in order to qualify for Medicare and SSDI.

B. Many people on disability work because disability doesn't pay enough for people to live on. I am on SSDI and work seasonally. It isn't easy, but I do it because I couldn't make my rent without it. Before posters flame me for working, consider that I am paying taxes back into the system that I am using with my above board seasonal job that SS is fully aware of, rather than earning money under the table and stealing from the government.

C. Many Medicaid recipients work as well, so they are also paying taxes into the system. Medicaid is based on income and if a person has a lousy job that doesn't offer insurance benefits, they can still qualify for Medicaid.

In short, the idea that SSDI, SS, or Medicaid beneficiaries are freeloaders who don't pay into the system is a myth. They are either paying taxes now, paid taxes before they received benefits, or both. So those taxpayers with this superiority complex can get off their high horse about it, because many more people are paying taxes into the system than they believe.
Would you mind sharing the nature of your disability and exactly what type of seasonal work you do?
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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Canadians live longer than Americans.

Healthcare spending is 1/3 less as a percentage of GDP.

Universal healthcare works.
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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You can be employed and still receive Medicaid. The income threshold for a household of one is $17, 237.

And *I* don't mind paying for others because I have the intelligence and foresight to realize and understand that it could be me who needs those services one day.

I AM receiving those services, as I am on NYS Marketplace insurance with an advanced premium tax credit because I can't get employer-sponsored insurance at this time even though I am working. My projected 2019 income is just below the threshold for an APTC as it is, because I lost a month of wages due to being unemployed from March 8 to April 8.

You misunderstand my posts here. The working class is getting hammered with taxes to pay for those who have the largest medical expenses (Medicare) and those who don't earn enough. We are carrying our luggage and those of too many others.

The working class would like to benefit also as we pay for all the others as well as ourselves.

Lets make it one big medical insurance pool for all, a.k.a. Medicare for all.
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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Canadians live longer than Americans.

Healthcare spending is 1/3 less as a percentage of GDP.

Universal healthcare works.
For some yes, others no, and in Canada. You can keep it. I prefer the opposite approach.
No govt involvement, more choices, greater innovation, no cronyism and competition.
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