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Old 06-08-2019, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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My retired mom on a fixed income pays over $300 a month for her "free" medicare.
Actually my case is far worse. I would start out by pointing out that I never paid a single dime for medical insurance until I went on MEDICARE. Now and forever will cost me over $1000 per month.

But I also bill upward of $6,000 per month gross and $2,000 net...so I need it. And probably in the last month I had $25,000 gross and $10,000 net.

And to make it worse my prior employer would have covered me forever except for MEDICARE.

Simplest thing is simply get rid of all this nonsense and cover health care. The experience of other nations makes it clear it is a winner.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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What a load of guano!

Support by the uninsured for a program which picks the pockets and negatively impacts health care for those ALREADY covered will always be popular, because the uninsured "want in."

Support DWINDLES with specifics-- particularly those which increase the cost and change the care for currently very satisfied Medicare recipients.

Enough with the Big Lie.

https://www.apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169
Alrighty then. They will be happy to go with Medicaid instead. Totally free and the accompanying drug card gets them any and all drugs with a co-pay of $3. Have it your way.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Newsflash: That's the purpose of Medicaid.

What those currently (and happily) covered don't want, is Medicaid for All. And that is really what "Medicare for All" will be.

If the Fools On the Hill were scared poopless as constituents descended on their 2009 Town Hall meetings over the then-pending health care bill, they ain't seen nothin' yet.
Exactly! May as well have people pay what they can toward their Medicaid/Medicare for all. Or do you want it to be provided at no cost?
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:51 PM
 
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the presidential candidates advocating medicare for all never talk about what this will cost middle class americans, those making over $65,000, according to Bernie's own study.

Medicare for all would simply be another poorly managed, colossal system under the federal government's control like the Veterans administration health care system.

If the government controls the funding do you really believe it will have no say in how health care services are delivered? What about the abundance of Medicare regulations already in place? The government mandates those, not the healthcare providers.

Medicare on a 'small scale' is rife with problems, what can we expect if it was "for all?"
Medicare for all would most likely be similar to Medicare, not the VA system. The problem with the VA is that the Gov't owns the HC delivery. With Medicare the bulk of HC is delivered by the private sector.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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Actually my case is far worse. I would start out by pointing out that I never paid a single dime for medical insurance until I went on MEDICARE. Now and forever will cost me over $1000 per month.

But I also bill upward of $6,000 per month gross and $2,000 net...so I need it. And probably in the last month I had $25,000 gross and $10,000 net.

And to make it worse my prior employer would have covered me forever except for MEDICARE.

Simplest thing is simply get rid of all this nonsense and cover health care. The experience of other nations makes it clear it is a winner.
I can't understand how Medicare costs you $1000/mo. As a high earner I pay closer to $400.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Houston
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In an era where Medicare-for-All is now overwhelmingly popular amongst the general populace, a new study shows that the US would see significant savings from implementing such a system, in addition to improving the economy and well-being/mental health.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...us-51-trillion
Medicare for All is most likely popular with the deadbeats and families with children who come out on the winning side. As a single, childless guy who pays a lot in taxes, how exactly would I benefit? It would be just another gov't program that benefits nonproductive people. One of the crappy things that Ocare did was make mandatory the "essential benefits". I should have the right to opt out of maternity benefits since I would NEVER need them. Those getting pregnant all of the time should pay their own way for a change.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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Medicare for All is most likely popular with the deadbeats and families with children who come out on the winning side. As a single, childless guy who pays a lot in taxes, how exactly would I benefit? It would be just another gov't program that benefits nonproductive people. One of the crappy things that Ocare did was make mandatory the "essential benefits". I should have the right to opt out of maternity benefits since I would NEVER need them. Those getting pregnant all of the time should pay their own way for a change.
If you were to experience a freak health crisis (and they do/can happen, no one's invincible), you won't have to worry about suddenly having to cough up tens of thousands of dollars to pay off the high deductible and premiums to cover your medical costs.

It works just like car insurance. It's a very low chance that you'll ever get into accident, but if/when you do, the insurance exists to cover the damage and even help you buy a new car if it's totaled. It also covers you if, heaven forbid, you're at fault in the accident and the other car owner comes after you for reimbursement.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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appeal to morons incapable of thinking, just feeling.
Ahem...
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Medicare for All is most likely popular with the deadbeats and families with children who come out on the winning side. As a single, childless guy who pays a lot in taxes, how exactly would I benefit? It would be just another gov't program that benefits nonproductive people. One of the crappy things that Ocare did was make mandatory the "essential benefits". I should have the right to opt out of maternity benefits since I would NEVER need them. Those getting pregnant all of the time should pay their own way for a change.
You would take advantage of the very healthcare you are already providing, with your taxes, to the deadbeats and families with children.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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You would take advantage of the very healthcare you are already providing, with your taxes, to the deadbeats and families with children.
That’s why deadbeats should have access to free condoms, contraception, and abortion. It’s probably the most cost-effective government spending there is.
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