New Study Shows “Medicare for All” Would Save US $5.1 Trillion Over Ten Years (politicians, biased)

[It'sAutomatic]

Republicans all campaign on sticking it to the poor and "freeloaders" (wealthy people who avoid all income tax don't count though), they'll never vote it in!

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

guess you are against negotiating payments???

you would rather be stuck with a 32k yearly tax bill....

That's not how it works

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

That's not how it works

in order to cover 330 million people with medicare for all (a 75/25 INSURANCE) would cost 3-4 trillion annually


in order to cover 330 million people with a singlepayer 100% coverage would be 5.5-6.5 trillion annually


there are only 150 million tax FILERS, of those only about 80 million are actually federal tax PAYERS




the medicare for all at its LOW NUMBER works out to 37k per tax payer


the singlepayer at its LOW NUMBER works out to 68k per tax payer




we don't have enough taxpayers, and those that we have cant afford that kind of tax bill

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

in order to cover 330 million people with medicare for all (a 75/25 INSURANCE) would cost 3-4 trillion annually


in order to cover 330 million people with a singlepayer 100% coverage would be 5.5-6.5 trillion annually


there are only 150 million tax FILERS, of those only about 80 million are actually federal tax PAYERS




the medicare for all at its LOW NUMBER works out to 37k per tax payer


the singlepayer at its LOW NUMBER works out to 68k per tax payer




we don't have enough taxpayers, and those that we have cant afford that kind of tax bill

We can institute a VAT among other things, and those cost estimates you gave are definitely on the high side

[ContraPagan]

Originally Posted by Hoonose

If you have a Bronze plan, that includes catastrophic coverage. No yearly or lifetime limits.

I think you are confusing catastrophic with emergency care, and under my plan everything in that category is 50% after deductible.

Here is the plan summary for the plan I signed up for. I don't see the word "catastrophic" anywhere on that page:

https://www.bsneny.com/content/neny/...-standard.html

[GearHeadDave]

Originally Posted by Oakformonday

This is great news! A majority of Americans want this. A healthy populace is a more productive one.

I think this line makes it even more attractive <emphasis added>:

"...the cumulative savings for the first decade operating under Medicare for All would be $5.1 trillion, equal to 2.1 percent of cumulative GDP, without accounting for broader macroeconomic benefits such as increased productivity, greater income equality, and net job creation through lower operating costs for small- and medium-sized businesses..."

Not surprised at all. The mishmash of private insurance insurance and Medicare and the ACA is a joke. It will take a big effort to make it happen but once in place, Medicare for all would be far more efficient to manage.

[Northman83]

If you combine all other 1st world countries that have Govermental Insurance / Medicare for all / Universal Healthcare... that number is close to 2x the size of the US population.

They have cheaper costs.. almost 1/2 the cost.. and basically equal to better care.

But, then if you include the 30-40 millions who have no insurance in the US.. and the tens of millions who under use the healthcare system because of costs... other 1st world countries are providing Healthcare in an laughingly obvious superior way to the US.


Its incredibly ironic that the Far Right is keeping the rest of the country hostage to Insurance and Pharma companies raking in trillions in profits each year.. and preaching about GOD and Freedom.

Yeah.. freedom to die early, so they dont have to pay for cheaper healthcare.

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

We can institute a VAT among other things, and those cost estimates you gave are definitely on the high side

The guy literally assumes single payer would cost 4 times more per person in America than other developed countries. Thats how poorly he thinks of American ability to provide cost effective health care.

[Frank DeForrest]

Medicare needs a bullet to the head, not expanding.

[whogo]

BCBS approved the therapy my wife needed after her stroke. Medicare denied my Dad therapy after his.