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View Poll Results: Would you rather pay $5000 more in private premiums than $2000 more in health care taxes?
Yes, paying more to the insurance companies ensure that I am free 27 29.67%
No, paying less into a Medicare-style system is the sensible thing to do 64 70.33%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-10-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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Which is why we should be changing it and removing that tax monkey from the tax payer's back.

I'm for reducing such taxes while you apparently want to increase them.
As a country, we cannot deny medical care to the elderly or children. Therefore those taxes are here to stay. The only way to cut your losses is to get on board with those benefits and quit paying high health insurance premiums with high deductibles and co-pays.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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Most hospitals in the US are not for profit. This status does not preclude profit. Rather those profits cannot be used to declare a dividend for shareholders. Profits may be used to expand, modernize, acquire other hospitals and medical practices , teach and provide unreimbursed services.
Thats totally besides the point. Its Wall Street who run our health care system. And a for-profit health care system will always be much more expensive as all statistics show.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:30 AM
 
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As a country, we cannot deny medical care to the elderly or children. Therefore those taxes are here to stay. The only way to cut your losses is to get on board with those benefits and quit paying high health insurance premiums with high deductibles and co-pays.
Where did I say anything about denying care?

Oh, I forgot liberals believe taxes are the cure for everything.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I watched the end of the Canadian Open golf tournament on TV. There were thousands of Canadians in the gallery at Hamilton Golf Club, in walkers, wheelchairs, on O2, and whatnot, too weak to applaud the winner of the tournament, because they were waiting for, or just plain lacked (due to a death panel) health care.

Naw. Like hell there were.

All the golf fans in Canada, at that Canadian golf course, looked to be happy and healthy, and obviously glad to pay to be there (and having been myself a part of the gallery at the Canadian Open golf tourney on the final day, I can attest that the daily ticket, especially on the final day, can be very expensive), and they were obviously not hurting for funds due to taxation. As were the Toronto Raptors' fans who travelled on their own dime, by air and road to Oakland for Game 4 of the Toronto Raptors-Golden State Warriors series. How can Toronto Raptors' fans travel, get hotel rooms, etc., if they are so crippled by taxes in order to pay for healthcare?

For that matter, how can Canadians afford houses, business startups, giant pickup trucks, fifth-wheel campers, cottages, cabins, European and Caribbean and Hawaiian vacations, and household pets? Shouldn't they be forgoing those luxuries; and instead, saving for those, as some Americans would call them, "grueling" taxes?

Canadian taxes are not "grueling." Canadian taxes are reasonable. Canadian taxes are at a level where Canadians can pay them, get health care (among other things), and still have a lot left over for luxuries. I would imagine that it is the same for the people of other First-World democracies, that have single-payer or state-supplied healthcare. Any American who tells another American, "Under single-payer healthcare, your taxes will go up a bazillion percent" is lying to you. Any American who tells another American, "You won't get a choice of doctor or hospital" is lying to you. Any American who tells you, "Your medical records will be in the hands of the federal government," is lying to you. Such things do not happen under single-payer, and I speak from experience. I chose my own doctor, and I would have him up before the medical licensing board on an ethical breach if he tried to share my medical records with any government.

Hell, I can afford to fly business class for pleasure, in spite of the so-called "grueling taxation." I can rent the best cars, and stay at the best hotels for as long as I want. Talk to me again about "grueling taxation," and then tell me how much you pay in taxes, in health insurance premiums, and then at point-of-service in co-pays and deductibles. Then tell me how much disposable income you have left at the end of the year.

Me, I can afford to fly business or first-class, just for fun, in spite of my government's taxes. Americans, can you say the same, in spite of your insurance premiums, co-pays, and deductibles at point of service, in addition to your health insurance deductions off your paycheck?
Poverty rate in Canada fell to 9.5% in 2017.

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...n-history.html

The US poverty rate in 2017 was 12.3%. It’s close to 20% in some states.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ates-in-the-us
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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Where did I say anything about denying care?

Oh, I forgot liberals believe taxes are the cure for everything.
How do we pay for Medicare and Medicaid if we cuts taxes/funding?
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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Poverty rate in Canada fell to 9.5% in 2017. The US rate was 12.3%. It’s pushing 20% in some states.

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...n-history.html
Poverty rate is subjective and not comparable between countries. A person could be dying of treatable cancer and be out of poverty, but not able to afford cancer treatment so has to die as a result. Some people think this is freedom, but most sane people think it is pure callousness.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's 1/3 cheaper in Canada, and Canadians live longer.
Canadians donít kill as much as US people do.

Maybe thereís something in the water in the US.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Simple question, is it better to pay more in private health care premiums, deductibles and co-pays than paying less than that in taxes?
the cost in taxes to the taxpayer...remember of the 150 million tax filers, only about 80 million have a positive tax liability..IOW there are only 80 million tax federal tax payers


if divided equally (and yes we have a progressive (discriminatory) tax system) the cost would be like 30,000+ to each taxpayer to fund coverage for 330 million people


so your poll is wrong
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Simple question, is it better to pay more in private health care premiums, deductibles and co-pays than paying less than that in taxes?
Neither. I'd rather pay my doctor.
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Old 06-10-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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the cost in taxes to the taxpayer...remember of the 150 million tax filers, only about 80 million have a positive tax liability..IOW there are only 80 million tax federal tax payers


if divided equally (and yes we have a progressive (discriminatory) tax system) the cost would be like 30,000+ to each taxpayer to fund coverage for 330 million people


so your poll is wrong
No its not.

Its a myth that single payer in America would be more than twice as expensive as the current absurdly expensive system. It will not cost 4 times as much as in other developed countries. Thats just laughable corporate propaganda.
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