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View Poll Results: Would you rather pay $5000 more in private premiums than $2000 more in health care taxes?
Yes, paying more to the insurance companies ensure that I am free 27 29.67%
No, paying less into a Medicare-style system is the sensible thing to do 64 70.33%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-10-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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Healthcare is a right
Demonstrably false, even by simple definition. There is no right to the labor of others. Period. ALL HEALTHCARE is gods and services that represent the labor of others, and no, in fact, you do not have a right to the labor of others.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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After seeing how the US government handles the VA, and sensitive things like Aids and Ebola coming onto US soil, I don't want them no where near my health care! The US government is one of the most incompetent enterprises in existence.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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Healthcare is a human right.
You do not have the right to make me pay for other peopleís stuff.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Healthcare is a human right.
How can that be when it requires the labor of another?
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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He definitely claims he can afford his own healthcare and he also believes he will never get sick enough to need it.

He has his so he doesn't care about everybody else.
And you think you will get first rate care from the government? LOL. My dad and uncle both got lung cancer at the same time. My uncle, who is a Vietnam vet, used his VA benefits to care for him. My father used a regular insurance and a public doctor.

With my uncle, the VA set him up in a room for about a month. But no treatment. Then one day, they said there is nothing they can do for him, so they sent him home where he died about a year later.

My father was given chemo and they helped set him up at home, but because of the better medicine, he lived for another 10 years before he had a massive heart attack that killed him.

This is what the government will do, and you know it. They want to be in charge of your healthcare so they can decide who lives and dies, and who is going to stop them? Maybe you trust this government, but I do not.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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Nope, I wonít run out of money. I have assets I can liquidate plus I have taken steps to take care of me. I had foresight. Enough so that everyone should do the same. Fact is most donít and they expect others to pay for their own stuff.

Not me. I refuse to pay for your lung transplant caused by cigarette or dope smoking.
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He definitely claims he can afford his own healthcare and he also believes he will never get sick enough to need it.

He has his so he doesn't care about everybody else.
I suspect he has no idea what the costs involved are in a multi-month stay in ICU in any hospital in North America. Plus surgery, plus additional and associated costs.

Plus after care. A 5 day stay for an emergency gallbladder surgery cost more than $311,000 in the Tampa Bay area for a staff of mine, and that was 9 years ago. Yes, insurance covered it, but now extend that to 3 months and see how much you have left of your assets.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Healthcare is a human right.
There is nothing stopping you from getting it. But, just like the right to own guns, you have to find out how to get it yourself and not leach off of someone else's labor.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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I suspect he has no idea what the costs involved are in a multi-month stay in ICU in any hospital in North America. Plus surgery, plus additional and associated costs.

Plus after care. A 5 day stay for an emergency gallbladder surgery cost more than $311,000 in the Tampa Bay area for a staff of mine, and that was 9 years ago. Yes, insurance covered it, but now extend that to 3 months and see how much you have left of your assets.
How about my Danish aunt who was diagnosed with gallstones but died in agony from liver cancer. This is a legacy of the Scandinavian model of health care.

I had my gallbladder out. In the hospital for 48 hours paid out of pocket $1500 because I had insurance pre Obamacare. When Obamacare came into being, my health insurance tailored for me became illegal following the monstrous lie of the century. I became uninsured because I refuse to subsidize deadbeats.

I paid for me while the socialized version killed my aunt. I am self reliant and I take care of myself. Those too stupid to prepare for the future deserve what they get. I have one bank account with only enough money to cover bills. The rest of my assets is in precious metals that I have physically and not guaranteed by paper and in paid for property. My stock in building materials is doing well particularly my Vulcan Materials stock which the dividends I use to buy more precious metals that I hold.

Good luck in getting your paws on that to fund your socialism.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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So you'd rather be chained to the employer for your family's health care than be free to strike out on your own?

Employer based health care is a chain around the neck of employees, and thats a big reason why wages are stagnant and why corporate America dont want to loose that power over the employees.
Further millions of expats like me realize it is far cheaper to live abroad and pay a tiny amount for good private health care in places like SE Asia.

All of the billions of dollars expats like us spend abroad do not support the US economy.

We employ millions upon millions of foreign workers to support our live styles. It is more than just direct employment to clean our homes or tend to out yachts. Every time we buy food, eat out, or buy real estate and goods we employ local workers.

Further the penalty for returning to the US is so high because of health care costs that many of us go years without returning to the US.
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Old 06-10-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Why anyone would want their healthcare tied to their current job or seek jobs based on health benefits is beyond me. Medicare for all would be a huge boost to the economy as employers no longer need to flip the bill for healthcare so now, they actually have to provide monetary incentives to employees, in the form of raises, instead of offering more "health benefits." Not to mention, ppl would be free to pursue jobs they want, or start businesses without having to worry about buying healthcare at ridiculous prices.
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