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View Poll Results: Would you rather pay $5000 more in private premiums than $2000 more in health care taxes?
Yes, paying more to the insurance companies ensure that I am free 27 29.67%
No, paying less into a Medicare-style system is the sensible thing to do 64 70.33%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-08-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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The only people who vote to pay more are those what are not paying more.....

Those who are paying over 11K per person per year for their family members (so a family of 4 would owe 44K a year) raise your hands!

If you are over about 50, you'd be paying 15K per year for each person - so an empty nester would own 30K a year in premiums.....

I personally don't know anyone paying that much but perhaps some of you do!
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:53 PM
 
Location: New York
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The only people who vote to pay more are those what are not paying more.....

Those who are paying over 11K per person per year for their family members (so a family of 4 would owe 44K a year) raise your hands!

If you are over about 50, you'd be paying 15K per year for each person - so an empty nester would own 30K a year in premiums.....

I personally don't know anyone paying that much but perhaps some of you do!

You have it backward.



The only people unwilling to pay more and leaving it up to the state do not actually use or need it.


Those of us over 50 know full well the difference.


ACA is what drove prices through the roof for insurance with $12k deductibles. Few of us could keep our plans and our doctors. It was a complete farce.



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I can't really think of any Government program that is known for being efficient, within budget and timely. I would actually be behind a public health care system if I had even a small hope that the Government was capable of running it. Which I just can't see them doing.
exactly correct!
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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Socialized medicine is quite rare in the world. Most national health care systems are not socialized medicine. Regardless, they are far cheaper than a for-profit system. We have the most privatized system in the world, and the most expensive by a huge margin.
Socialized medicine is where other people pay for other peopleís stuff. No matter what language you cloak it in, it is what it is.

I prefer to pay for me and not for thee.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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So you'd rather be chained to the employer for your family's health care than be free to strike out on your own?

Employer based health care is a chain around the neck of employees, and thats a big reason why wages are stagnant and why corporate America dont want to loose that power over the employees.
Yeah sure. The $65 I pay every month for a plan with a $750 deductible and $1,500 max out of pocket feels like a HUGE chain around my neck. That along with the 6 weeks of vacation and nice big pay check make working for my company pure hell. /sarcasm

Why would I be for a scheme that has me paying for myself plus a bunch of other people? Now if youíre proposing EVERYONE pay the exact same amount, Iím good with that.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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You have it backward.



The only people unwilling to pay more and leaving it up to the state do not actually use or need it.


Those of us over 50 know full well the difference.


ACA is what drove prices through the roof for insurance with $12k deductibles. Few of us could keep our plans and our doctors. It was a complete farce.




exactly correct!
You do realize the ACA's health care plans are still administered by the private insurance industry, yes?
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:21 PM
 
Location: New York
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You do realize the ACA's health care plans are still administered by the private insurance industry, yes?

I was only saying that ACA is to blame for insurance premiums skyrocketing.


Of course they administer it because they wrote it!

It was suppose to be a windfall for them - was never intended to lower rates.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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I was only saying that ACA is to blame for insurance premiums skyrocketing.


Of course they administer it because they wrote it!

It was suppose to be a windfall for them - was never intended to lower rates.
Premiums were already skyrocketing before the ACA.

If anything, the ACA slowed down the pace of rate increases. From 2002 to 2008, premiums increased by 58%. Meanwhile, from 2010 to 2018, premiums only increased at a rate of 33%.

https://www.policygenius.com/blog/he...out-obamacare/

Are you suggesting we return to the system where the premiums were increasing at a much higher rate?
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Boston
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can you imagine what emergency rooms would look like if we had universal health care? lol

there's a whole culture of people that have always gone to the emergency for care, they don't want a private doctor, those numbers will just quadruple. Visits to the Emergency rooms went up under Obamacare, it would only get worse.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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Yeah sure. The $65 I pay every month for a plan with a $750 deductible and $1,500 max out of pocket feels like a HUGE chain around my neck. That along with the 6 weeks of vacation and nice big pay check make working for my company pure hell. /sarcasm

Why would I be for a scheme that has me paying for myself plus a bunch of other people? Now if youíre proposing EVERYONE pay the exact same amount, Iím good with that.
Wow. That is excellent insurance. Congrats!
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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can you imagine what emergency rooms would look like if we had universal health care? lol

there's a whole culture of people that have always gone to the emergency for care, they don't want a private doctor, those numbers will just quadruple. Visits to the Emergency rooms went up under Obamacare, it would only get worse.
It would help if states would lift their restrictions on the expansion of urgent care clinics.

Georgia is one state that's still stuck in the stone ages when it comes to establishing and expanding hospitals.
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