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Old 06-08-2019, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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Bernie is a communist and we all know it. A leopard doesn't change its spots.
There are communists hiding in your closet. It true.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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There are communists hiding in your closet. It true.
The 50's called. They want their policy back.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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True.

On a global scale, Bernie is a centrist.
Very much agreed.

But I think he is further to the left than his policies suggest. But no communist of course.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I've told the commie that started this thread to quit their 9-5 and go get in to a trade that pays based upon productivity.
Like flat rate auto technician. Or piece rate construction.

When they get out there in reality and have to self fund 10s of thousands to 100s of thousands of dollars of tools to simply maintain their career... they will change their tune real quick when they get a job that doesn't pay well and can't knock it out fast enough to break even or profit from...
My biggest problem with capitalism is the excess costs it adds to life through development, marketing, debt/interest, and speculation (raising housing costs).

Work and making money is not my problem, it's what that money allows one to do (speculate and grow wealth) without any authority to the people actually creating the systemic wealth (workers of large operations).
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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The US now has a blend of capitalism and socialism. Some of the socialist programs have been policy for years (Medicare, Social Security, public schools, public libraries, etc.) and are some of the most beloved (and depended upon) institutions in the country. Democratic socialists just want to push that balance a little further to the left. "Berniecrats" don't want to "get rid of capitalism." They want some of the currently capitalist systems (like healthcare) to have an OPTION to be more socialist.

The word "Socialist" seems to send conservatives, Trumpists, and most Republicans into seizures, but it is not a something to fear. It is a tool with which to make the country work for more people.

By the way, I don't consider myself to be a Social Democrat, but I do understand where they are coming from.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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The US now has a blend of capitalism and socialism. Some of the socialist programs have been policy for years (Medicare, Social Security, public schools, public libraries, etc.) and are some of the most beloved (and depended upon) institutions in the country. Democratic socialists just want to push that balance a little further to the left. "Berniecrats" don't want to "get rid of capitalism." They want some of the currently capitalist systems (like healthcare) to have an OPTION to be more socialist.

The word "Socialist" seems to send conservatives, Trumpists, and most Republicans into seizures, but it is not a something to fear. It is a tool with which to make the country work for more people.

By the way, I don't consider myself to be a Social Democrat, but I do understand where they are coming from.
Social democracy is basically regulated capitalism. You can still be a capitalist, but there are more rules in place that prevent you from steamrolling over the public good in order to make a profit. Except for healthcare, the USA already has a robust social safety net in place and has for decades.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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Social Democrats... or the Scandinavian model.

Basically after WW2, when we had to conserve the means the country where left with (most was destroyed).
Social Economics where given a lot more power then previously to figure out what to do with the Economy.

So, we basically socialized things that would cost a lot for private individuals to pay for individually.
(Not saying everything changed after the war.. some of it was already in place before)

However, it was economically beneficial to socialize the costs of schools, healthcare, clean water, railways, sewage, roads, fish quotas, docks etc etc to bring productivity up and costs down.



Private companies do what they do best.. drive competition, productivity and inventions.
Public "companies" do what they do best.. ensure that everybody gets access to public goods at a cheap price.. through taxes.



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Old 06-09-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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On a lighter note... In Norway, alcohol over 6% are not allowed to be sold in stores.

We have a National Wine Monopoly, selling everything from Beer to 96% liquor.

As a result the NWM, is one of the largest purchaser of wines in the world.
With such high standards, that entrance into the market are driving down the costs of wine.

So, really expensive wines are sold at almost the same costs as "regular wine".
The importer also has to submit the wines to the NWM for testing to show that the content is actually what is says.

A few years ago there was a scandal where Wine producers in Europe would add additives to the wine...
But where caught by tests, resulting in expulsion from our market... but kept on selling it in Europe.

Which in turn, makes sure wine producers are selling their best batches of wine to our market.. and at almost cost price.
And ALOT of people from European wine countries actually travel up here to purchase from our NWM, because we have better quality and cheaper wine.


Spirits etc not so.. quite expensive.



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Old 06-09-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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There are communists hiding in your closet. It true.
I do have some red shirts in there, but that doesn't change the videos showing Sanders love for communism.
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Old 06-09-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I do have some red shirts in there, but that doesn't change the videos showing Sanders love for communism.
Where?

Defending Cuba's healthcare and the Soviet metro system hardly makes him communist.
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