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Old 06-08-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...atic-socialism


We'll see if he is a real socialist who wants workers to control the means of production.


Most Americans are far right and think privatizing public schools and air traffic control are moderate positions. So I doubt it will end well for him.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: CA
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We'll see if he is a real socialist who wants workers to control the means of production.
Is that what you think socialism is?
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...atic-socialism


We'll see if he is a real socialist who wants workers to control the means of production.


Most Americans are far right and think privatizing public schools and air traffic control are moderate positions. So I doubt it will end well for him.
Most Americans are not far right and only the far right think privatizing public schools and traffic control are moderate positions.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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Is that what you think socialism is?
That is one of many definitions of Socialism.
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: East Tennessee and Atlanta
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Bernie is an entertaining guy, fascinating to listen to. He's like an old professor rambling on with too much knowledge in his head.

He's a hypocritical guy who is good at rallying his core supporters. Ultimately, I think he'll lose the nomination to Biden though.

This will be his last presidential hurrah.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Calling himself "democratic socialist" all this time has done him little good. If by some miracle he got the nomination, then won the presidency he would be forced to operate as a social democrat... "the Scandinavian model" as Americans call it, which is what he is.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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Calling himself "democratic socialist" all this time has done him little good. If by some miracle he got the nomination, then won the presidency he would be forced to operate as a social democrat... "the Scandinavian model" as Americans call it, which is what he is.
The policies he advocates for are in fact based on "The Scandinavian Model," which is why I don't understand why he embraces the "Socialist" label.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/471630/
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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Bernie is a communist and we all know it. A leopard doesn't change its spots.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:42 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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We'll see if he is a real socialist who wants workers to control the means of production.
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Is that what you think socialism is?
That would be the textbook and generally accepted definition among economists and political scientists: 'collective ownership of the means of production.' My only caveat is that in practice 'collective' invariably means 'government.' I suspect OP can offer 2 or 3 short-lived examples where 'collective' did not necessarily translate to 'government.' The overwhelming majority, from the old USSR to Cuba to Venezuela, did.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:51 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The policies he advocates for are in fact based on "The Scandinavian Model," which is why I don't understand why he embraces the "Socialist" label.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/471630/
Thanks for your link; I scanned it but don't see any money quotes where the writer confirms her interpretation of Sanders' beliefs. I think Sanders fuzzes the difference between 'socialism' and 'social democracy' (the Scandi model) for propaganda reasons.

Sanders has been in this game for a long time, and I refuse to believe that he is just ignorant of the difference. The Danish PM famously upbraided him for repeatedly referencing Denmark as 'socialist.' Bernie knows exactly what he's doing. He continues to use the label 'socialist' because that is what he really believes.
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