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Old 06-08-2019, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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https://www.governing.com/topics/edu...enue-data.html

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/pr...MN&year=2017R3

287 average math score in Utah vs 282 in NY and 277 in California.

NY spends $23,000 per-pupil, DC spends $21,000 and Utah spends $7,100 yet Utah has much higher test scores.

Looks like Utah has much better education systems, despite spending less than one-third of the amount per pupil.

With the emphasis on STEM these days, Utah students seem to much, much prepared than New York while they spend a third of the price per student.

California spends 50% more per student than Arizona, yet Arizona has much, much higher test scores. ($12,000 per student in California, compared to $8,000 in Arizona)
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Old 06-08-2019, 11:55 AM
 
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Every Morman i have ever meet has had very strong families and valued education, this cannot help but increase Utah's scores. Especially when compared with States who are dealing with larger populations of single parent households and population groups that don't necessarily value education as much as they probably should.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:03 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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https://www.governing.com/topics/edu...enue-data.html

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/pr...MN&year=2017R3

287 average math score in Utah vs 282 in NY and 277 in California.

NY spends $23,000 per-pupil, DC spends $21,000 and Utah spends $7,100 yet Utah has much higher test scores.

Looks like Utah has much better education systems, despite spending less than one-third of the amount per pupil.

With the emphasis on STEM these days, Utah students seem to much, much prepared than New York while they spend a third of the price per student.

California spends 50% more per student than Arizona, yet Arizona has much, much higher test scores. ($12,000 per student in California, compared to $8,000 in Arizona)
School success, including test scores, are primarily determined by the quality of the parents and their parenting practices, regardless of any other factor. It is not that Utah has a much better education system, it’s that they have better parents.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: PSL
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School success, including test scores, are primarily determined by the quality of the parents and their parenting practices, regardless of any other factor. It is not that Utah has a much better education system, it’s that they have better parents.
That and they don't have NY values. Where its... throw money at it, that will fix it because an administrator rubs elbows with a legislator/state .gov lackey.

When I hear things like... we need more funding and teacher are barely getting by...
Knowing 3 public educators in NY state with less than 5 years in clearing 70k...
It isn't the teachers not earning a livable/sustainable wage... even if that were the case?
And funds were allotted to staff wages?
It would be peanuts in comparison to what the administrators take...

That's NY values.
Know a lackey in state .gov? License to print money. For a good cause of course... it's always a good cause... gotta appeal to the feelz afterall...
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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That and they don't have NY values. Where its... throw money at it, that will fix it because an administrator rubs elbows with a legislator/state .gov lackey.

When I hear things like... we need more funding and teacher are barely getting by...
Knowing 3 public educators in NY state with less than 5 years in clearing 70k...
It isn't the teachers not earning a livable/sustainable wage... even if that were the case?
And funds were allotted to staff wages?
It would be peanuts in comparison to what the administrators take...

That's NY values.
Know a lackey in state .gov? License to print money. For a good cause of course... it's always a good cause... gotta appeal to the feelz afterall...
True about New York state.

Even so, I’d rather live in secular NY then ultra-religious UT. I don’t want people voting for things just because they think “god” demands it.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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Utah has one of the lowest percentage of high school graduates who go on to college.

45 percent

The dollar numbers also aren't comparable since real estate values and cost of living are much higher.

Families don't choose states because of schools. They choose neighborhoods and specific schools, public or private. A lot of the top nationally ranked high schools are in urban areas.
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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Utah spends $7,179 per student, NY spends $23,091 yet Utah students have much higher test scores
I don't know.
Maybe there are many other factors involved.

Why is that the top most educated states in America are almost all Blue states
When the worst educated states are all mostly red states? Hmmmm.

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The Most and the Least Educated States in the U.S. in 2018

Topping the list of most educated states is Massachusetts, home to various colleges and universities, including Harvard, MIT and Smith College. The state ranked number one in both the educational attainment and quality of education categories, and has the highest percentage of bachelors and graduate degree holders, as well as the highest average university quality.
In second place overall, Maryland ranked third in the educational attainment category and second in quality of education. It also has the second-highest percentage of graduate degree holders (it came third in % of bachelors’ degree holders).
In third place, Connecticut—which is home to Yale University—ranked fourth in educational attainment and ninth in quality of education.
As for the U.S. states that ranked at the bottom of the list—the least educated ones—see the list of the lowest-five below.
  1. Alabama (Attainment Rank: 45; Quality Rank: 40)
  2. Arkansas (Attainment Rank: 47; Quality Rank: 34)
  3. Louisiana (Attainment Rank: 48; Quality Rank: 47)
  4. West Virginia (Attainment Rank: 50; Quality Rank: 42)
  5. Mississippi (Attainment Rank: 49; Quality Rank: 50)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/karsten.../#7bb2cde351e1
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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Some of these posts...

We are not talking about how many have attended college, how many graduated, nor how many have a 4-year degree and above, this is a simple look at how much one state spends on education, its results, compared to another.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Utah has one of the lowest percentage of high school graduates who go on to college.

45 percent

The dollar numbers also aren't comparable since real estate values and cost of living are much higher.

Families don't choose states because of schools. They choose neighborhoods and specific schools, public or private. A lot of the top nationally ranked high schools are in urban areas.
the 45% stat was very interesting, and made me double-check some info I was pretty sure of...

1. UT is so low because of the # of Mormons who then do their missionary service immediately, rather than later.

2. Knowing that 40% of adults = college graduates puts a state in the top 10 of educational attainment, I then found this ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nal_attainment.

3. It made me wonder ... what's the value of NY state having 70% of HS grads go to college if then only 35% of their adult population has a college degree? Do 1/2 the students really drop out w/o getting a degree? Certainly NYS doesn't have a large net migration OUT of young degree-holders?

4. One would think that of course, there are "a lot" of highly-ranked HS's in urban areas. If 71% of the US population lives in urban areas, wouldn't they have 70% of the best schools?

the problem is - see NYC - where the # of seats available is so far below those that want to attend.
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Old 06-08-2019, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Some of these posts...

We are not talking about how many have attended college, how many graduated, nor how many have a 4-year degree and above, this is a simple look at how much one state spends on education, its results, compared to another.
that's just way too obvious for those who want to protect their sacred cows
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