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Old 06-10-2019, 02:03 PM
Status: "I said God Bless the Coal Miners Union" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Originally Posted by dman72 View Post
It's getting tiresome to hear the 743rd attempt by right wingers to equate Democrats with racism to deflect from their own obvious tendencies.

9 times out of 10 these type of ridiculous threads are started by right wingers. Dinesh D'sousa made an entire movie with the goal of tricking black people into voting GOP. Around that time there seemed to be weekly threads pushing this same narrative "vote GOP because the racists used to be in the Democratic Party".


It DOESN'T WORK.
Any facts or logic from D'Souza that you can point to as wrong? Just saying 'It DOESN"T WORK' is not much of an argument.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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The antebellum Democrat party of slavery was decisively defeated in the Civil War, never to rise again.

After that, there were two Democrat parties, a northern version and a rump southern version. The southern version was a continuation of the Jefferson-Jackson party, while the northern version was something entirely new: the party of people who had immigrated to the US after independence.

From 1860 to 1928, Democrats only won 4 presidential elections, with 2 apiece going to Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson.

Cleveland was a northern Democrat from Buffalo who was squeaky clean during a venal time in American politics. Largely a protest vote against the Gilded Age corruption.

Wilson is more interesting. He was a dyed-in-the-wool racist southern Democrat who also happened to be highly educated, the president of Princeton who brought graduate school to American shores. He was a bridge between the two Democrat parties, a racist and a reformer, whose political advisor was a northern Irishman named Tumulty.

Wilson was only elected because TR split the Republican vote. He was the last of the old southern Democrat party. The old Democrats would try again with progressive technocrats in James Cox and John Davis, who both lost spectacularly.

Then the new Democrat party took control, and nominated northern Irish Catholic Al Smith. He also lost spectacularly, but FDR would go on to complete the metamorphosis of the Democrats from the party of southern farmers to the party of urban immigrants. The rest is history. The southern Democrat party well and truly died in the 2014 midterm election, when Republicans swept southern Senate seats and statewide offices.

So when people go on to say that, "Democrats are the party of slavery", it's just wrong. The party of slavery is dead, and hasn't been more than a regional force for 100 years. There were two Democrat parties for 150 years, who shared little more than a name and would only sometimes unite to be effective. The Democrat party of today is the party of urban immigrants and the North.

That ignores the fact that in 1860 there were two Democratic political parties. The Democratic Party nominated Stephen Douglas. The Southern Democratic Party nominated John Breckenridge. It's important to note that the Presidential election was not a national election, but rather a regional election. The candidates campaigned within their own regions, not nationally.

The 1860 election was the last election of its kind. Elections changed, and the federal government changed as a result of the Civil War.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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The party of Slavery, Jim Crow, Internment camps, Abortion, High Taxes and Tyranny
Woodrow Wilson was not a Southern Democrat, even being born in Virginia. He was the Governor of New Jersey, not Georgia, where he spent some time as a kid.
FDR born and raised in New York.
Before he was two, the family moved to Augusta, Georgia.[9] Wilson's earliest memory was of playing in his yard and standing near the front gate of the Augusta parsonage on an autumn day in 1860, when he heard a passerby announce in disgust that Abraham Lincoln had been elected and that a war was coming.[9][10] By 1861, both of Wilson's parents had come to fully identify with the Southern United States and they supported the Confederacy during the American Civil War.[11] Wilson's father was one of the founders of the Southern Presbyterian Church in the United States (PCUS) after it split from the Northern Presbyterians in 1861
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Any facts or logic from D'Souza that you can point to as wrong? Just saying 'It DOESN"T WORK' is not much of an argument.
There's no argument to make.

That the Southern Democratic Party up until 50 years ago was the party of racists is not going to make black people vote for the GOP, which people like D'Souza seem to think they can some how manipulate into happening...and the 15 right wing posters on here who bring up Southern Democratic Racists virtually every other week.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:53 PM
Status: "I said God Bless the Coal Miners Union" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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There's no argument to make.
I don't know what that even means. D'Souza made an entire film (which I didn't see) and a book (which I did read) about this topic. You seem to disagree with him, yet you can't point to one fact or bit of reasoning from him that is wrong.

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That the Southern Democratic Party up until 50 years ago was the party of racists is not going to make black people vote for the GOP, which people like D'Souza seem to think they can some how manipulate into happening...and the 15 right wing posters on here who bring up Southern Democratic Racists virtually every other week.
This has nothing to do with OP's points, and in any case is a prediction which only time will tell. I'm sure that Republicans in the 1950s, who tended to do well among black voters, never dreamed that blacks would one day vote 90% Democrat as they do now. No doubt back then there were Republicans complaining about the 15 left-wing newspapers trying to appeal to black voters virtually every other week.
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Old 06-10-2019, 02:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Before he was two, the family moved to Augusta, Georgia.[9] Wilson's earliest memory was of playing in his yard and standing near the front gate of the Augusta parsonage on an autumn day in 1860, when he heard a passerby announce in disgust that Abraham Lincoln had been elected and that a war was coming.[9][10] By 1861, both of Wilson's parents had come to fully identify with the Southern United States and they supported the Confederacy during the American Civil War.[11] Wilson's father was one of the founders of the Southern Presbyterian Church in the United States (PCUS) after it split from the Northern Presbyterians in 1861
And off to New Jersey he went. Southern or Northern they are still the same democrats, that created a Republican party to combat the control of Slavery, Jim Crow, interment camps, abortion, high taxes and Tyranny.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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So when people go on to say that, "Democrats are the party of slavery", it's just wrong. The party of slavery is dead, and hasn't been more than a regional force for 100 years. There were two Democrat parties for 150 years, who shared little more than a name and would only sometimes unite to be effective. The Democrat party of today is the party of urban immigrants and the North.
The past democrats who fought to retain slavery (were today's republicans.)

"The American political parties, now called Democrats and Republicans, switched platform planks, ideologies, and members many times in American history."
Democrats and Republicans Switched Platforms - Fact or Myth?

"Sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power."
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html


And the party of slavery is still alive and active today.

Except today they want to build a wall to keep South Americans out of America.
They want travel bans to keep Muslims out of America

They pass laws to stop blacks and Hispanics from voting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ession/565355/
https://www.theroot.com/cheaters-nev...ess-1829804891

They give rich white men huge tax cuts and then cut government programs used by low income black Americans.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...ce-for-low-and

They HATE black presidents and call our black president "the worst president ever"
They attack black Americans for protesting during the anthem
They hate Black Lives Matter.

And today the Ku Klux Klan officially endorses their politicians.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7392801.html

ex.ex.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The past democrats who fought to retain slavery (were today's republicans.)

"The American political parties, now called Democrats and Republicans, switched platform planks, ideologies, and members many times in American history."
Democrats and Republicans Switched Platforms - Fact or Myth?

"Sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power."
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html


And the party of slavery is still alive and active today.

Except today they want to build a wall to keep South Americans out of America.
They want travel bans to keep Muslims out of America

They pass laws to stop blacks and Hispanics from voting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ession/565355/
https://www.theroot.com/cheaters-nev...ess-1829804891

They give rich white men huge tax cuts and then cut government programs used by low income black Americans.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...ce-for-low-and

They HATE black presidents and call our black president "the worst president ever"
They attack black Americans for protesting during the anthem
They hate Black Lives Matter.

And today the Ku Klux Klan officially endorses their politicians.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7392801.html

ex.ex.
Yep. Party of Lincoln my...
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:57 AM
 
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In the 1920s, the Northern and Southern Democrats fought over alcohol Prohibition and whether a Catholic should be allowed to be President. In 1924, Al Smith was the candidate of the Northern Democrats and William McAdoo was the candidate of the Southern Democrats. Smith was a Catholic and opposed Prohibition while McAdoo was an Evangelical Protestant and supported Prohibition. After the delegates voted 103 times, the nominee ended up being John Davis, an anti-Prohibition Protestant from West Virginia with no political experience. In 1928, everyone knew that Herbert Hoover was unbeatable, so the Southern Democrats allowed Al Smith to be nominated. Sure enough, every state (the South included) except for the Deep South, Arkansas, Massachusettes, and Rhode Island voted for Herbert Hoover.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:28 AM
Status: "I said God Bless the Coal Miners Union" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The past democrats who fought to retain slavery (were today's republicans.)

"The American political parties, now called Democrats and Republicans, switched platform planks, ideologies, and members many times in American history."
Democrats and Republicans Switched Platforms - Fact or Myth?

"Sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power."....
It is a myth. The 'big switch' narrative has been debunked by a pair of political scientists through survey data. The shift of the South from solidly Democratic to solidly GOP happened over about 40 years, from 1954 to 1994. There was not a GOP majority until 1994, long after the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The shift was largely about economic policy, not race politics. With the emergence of the 'new south' starting in the 1950s, Republican economic policies became more appealing among Southern voters
The End of Southern Exceptionalism — Byron E. Shafer, Richard Johnston | Harvard University Press

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And today the Ku Klux Klan officially endorses their politicians.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7392801.html

ex.ex.
How long do we have to put up with this dumb meme? It's been knocked down innumerable times right here on CD. Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan backed Barack Obama. Does that make President Obama an anti-Semite? By your 'logic,' yes. In fact, no. David Duke endorses Ilhan Omar(D, MN). Does that make her a white supremacist? You see how idiotic the meme is? Now please don't use it again.
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