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Old 06-09-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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Yup. Irresponsible lifestyles, and coddling social polices that subsidize them, cause this violence. But they are going to blame racism and law-enforcement, vote democrat, and the cycle will continue.

Let's flag this thread, and though I will be dead, people can continue to talk about it 50 years from now when everything is exactly the same, except that the whites and Hispanics have merged, and there are no more Caucasians to blame.
The Republican cure for this is.....? I`ll wait.
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Old 06-09-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The Republican cure for this is.....? I`ll wait.
Send in the army. Go through the ghettos and arrest anyone who even looks at you the wrong way.
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Old 06-09-2019, 10:55 AM
 
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Send in the army. Go through the ghettos and arrest anyone who even looks at you the wrong way.
Mmm, yes, completely logical. Now, do you have a rational solution?
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Old 06-09-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: PSL
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The Republican cure for this is.....? I`ll wait.
Republican here.
Cure for Chicago's problems?
Easy.

Focus on motive, incentive and intent. No different than what drives homicidal scumbags to pick up a firearm and descend upon a school house of worship or place of employment to maim and kill innocent people.

What causes/compelled one to engage in wanton violence in Chicago?
Is it a lifestyle?
Is it criminal enterprise due to a lack of legitimate enterprise to give individuals the means to provide for them and their families?

If we're being honest in wanting to end/reduce it, the focus needs to shift from what the implement of harm/death was/is, and focus on the individuals who consciously decided to harm/kill another.
That's if we are being honest.

Firearms are merely the distraction and unfortunately the focal point hence why nothing gets accomplished to reduce or stop it.

Firearms aren't doing it by themselves. Why the focus is upon firearms is baffling... you could have 1 wish. If you chose to erase firearms and all knowledge of firearms from this earth you have solved nothing as the implement will simply change.
If you wished evil motive incentive and intent away... the world could be swimming in firearms. Fatalities from homicidal actions would be non existent as people wouldn't have the interest in harming or killing another regardless of the weapon they sought.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Send in the army. Go through the ghettos and arrest anyone who even looks at you the wrong way.
No. That is tyranny. Not only no, hell no.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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No. That is tyranny. Not only no, hell no.
Then what do you have in mind? Since the liberals won't support telling the fine people here to stop having babies they can't afford, and to work hard at something, there really isn't another solution. Lock them up.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Trump said he would fix this.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ime-doj-880976

Trump on Monday said he has directed the Justice Department to work with law enforcement in Chicago to “straighten out the terrible shooting wave” in the city. “We’re going to straighten it out. We’re going to straighten it out fast."



Well Obama couldn't do anything about it so maybe Trump can BUT whatever he proposes is likely to be very non PC and so he will be attacked by the Left and media as some sort of racist Nazi as usual which means nothing will get done because it is deemed "mean" by the Left.



If you want the gun violence to stop they need to lock up everyone that is caught with an illegal gun.

Gangs, drugs violence and guns go hand in hand. The Police know who the bad guys are but their hands are practically tied in dealing with it beyond picking up the pieces.



They need to get tough on these gun toting thugs that are terrorizing the neighborhoods.
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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The illegal drug trade and the ability to make thousands in a day or an hour has far more to do with this war in the streets than the ability for "welfare queens" to make hundreds in a month for an extra baby. Both are factors but at a hugely different scale. Criminals having easy access to guns they are often not eligible to own because of prior convictions is a big factor. It is unlikely the war in the street ever ends but the best hopes would be to be to significantly reduce the market value of the street drug trade by reducing addicts and probably making some drugs legal (at least weed). Do more people need to get kicked out of subsidized housing for illegal activity or covering for / supporting illegal activity? Probably. Is that public housing policy, one to de-emphasize or eliminate given the experience? Maybe. Making it harder to sell guns to illegal owners would also probably help some. Not much, but some. One more way to convict and remove. Making more drugs than weed legal for a time - for the purpose of a disruptive shock to the business and organization of street drug gangs and the drug cartels- might be worth considering. This is not my area of expertise but doing and not doing the same old stuff isn't working. Study what other countries do. I assume our overall tactics are less successful than some others.


I am for aggressive RICO actions to fight organized crime. Asset seizures. Maybe expanded probable cause for search. I don't know where the exact lines are for what to do and not but I'd probably push for more tools to fight the problem more effectively.

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Old 06-09-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Maybe they need to look into HOW all those drugs are coming in so CONSISTENTLY!


This fact alone makes numerous Govt and LE agencies look like buffoons!!
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Old 06-09-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: USA
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The Republican cure for this is.....? I`ll wait.
Instead of letting politically motivated DA's from pleading down murders and violence were the CRIMINAL uses a gun, throw the book at them and make sure they are off the street for a long time, not just a slap on the wrist, or house arrest which they always violated. Or the get a few years and are out in one. Make the commission of a crime using a gun a HORRIBLY long jail sentence. Make room for them by NOT jailing drug USERS.

Enable law abiding citizens to legally own and carry firearms in which to protect themselves. Obviously, the police can not, and that is not their job anyway. Eliminate "Gun Free Zones".

That's a start.
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