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Old 06-09-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Chicago mayor (obama flunkie) said that 3 years ago...
Chicago mayors have been saying this for decades.

New mayor has deemed gun homicides a health crisis.

And life and death goes on.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...511026511.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/shootings-...ry?id=63579107

Why doesn't she just admit that her city has a lower homicide rate than many, many cities but there is nothing that can be done because hundreds of thousands of multi-generational welfare queens had as many as they could for a big, juicy welfare check and all the benefits that go along with it. Another thing is lots of welfare queens also use their subsidized housing as leverage to recruit as many bad boy parolee's as possible into their lives and have baby after baby. The children they have they can't take care of and voila 15 or 20 years later they are hardened gangsters.

I have a feeling that this is the calm before the storm. Many poor women and parolee men are having been having as many children as possible that they don't have the slightest idea how to take of, so in a decade or two many big Democratic, liberal cities might be much worse then today.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-born-medicaid


I guess there is far worse than Chicago as far as homicides per-capita but still interesting how last month she said when she was elected "“Enough of the shootings. Enough of the guns. Enough of the violence,”

The mayor also said last month " “no higher calling than restoring safety and peace in our neighborhoods,”

Looks like this new liberal Democratic mayor has already failed. She is just another Democrat that gives speeches but has no policy and no solution to anything. Just a bunch of excuses and arrogance.
The bolded is a myth.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...-welfare-queen

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In the popular imagination, the stereotype of the "welfare queen" is thoroughly raced — she's an indolent black woman, living off the largesse of taxpayers. The term is seen by many as a dogwhistle, a way to play on racial anxieties without summoning them directly.
There are Welfare Queens driving Welfare Cadillacs

People are not getting rich off welfare or driving fancy cars.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/colum...516-story.html

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Conservatives refuse to give up their quest to bring down this lazy, scheming, African-American woman who uses her food stamps and other government aid to support a lavish lifestyle with countless jobless men who drift in and out of her bed.

They have heard about the piles of research and other documentation that prove she is — and always has been — nothing more than a myth. But the only proof they need of her existence is what they feel in their gut.
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The truth is that the average food stamp recipient isn’t an urban black woman at all. She is a white woman.

And the people who benefit most from food stamps paid for with our hard-earned tax dollars aren’t primarily black kids living in fatherless homes. They are little white kids who would starve to death if the government didn’t step in to help them.
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Nearly one-third of all SNAP households — and nearly half of those with children — report an income. Many families rely on SNAP only when they are between jobs or because they are among millions of American’s working poor. The problem is that most of the jobs they can get are low-paying and often are temporary.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:55 PM
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You are correct, most of the violence is concentrated in 5/25 Police Districts, South and West of downtown.

Most homicides involve a gang member.

Most homicide investigations don’t close. The locals protect family and/ or known there will be consequences for talking.

One of the more notorious mass homicides occurred at a memorial service for a man who was killed. A group of thugs emerged from an alley and began shooting.

The local alderman made news when he said “ no innocents had died”. The memorial was for a slain gang member. The gang put out a challenge on social media. The gang colors were flying at the street memorial

The opposing gang responded to the invite with guns blazing.
Gangs are a big problem and I agree with you. Many murders are gang-related. There is also another factor I want to mention. Many murders take place during arguments. According to the FBI, a large number of murders have taken place during arguments, almost 3,000. This tells me there are alot of people with anger issues. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...nship_2014.xls
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Send in the army. Go through the ghettos and arrest anyone who even looks at you the wrong way.
Army/ national guard has no authority to arrest anyone.

Looking at you the wrong way is not a crime.

Former Governor Rauner ( Republican) declined to call in the National Guard claiming it would make the situation worse.

Anyone who can has or intends to leave the roughest neighborhoods and are migrating to Southern states, a reverse migration.

Schools have been and will continue to close due to substantially reduced student populations.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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Yup. Irresponsible lifestyles, and coddling social polices that subsidize them, cause this violence. But they are going to blame racism and law-enforcement, vote democrat, and the cycle will continue.

Let's flag this thread, and though I will be dead, people can continue to talk about it 50 years from now when everything is exactly the same, except that the whites and Hispanics have merged, and there are no more Caucasians to blame.
No, gangs cause this violence and Chicago actually has less homicides than many smaller cities.

Among major U.S. cities, Baltimore was followed in the FBI’s annual tally by Detroit, which last year recorded a homicide rate of 40 per 100,000 people; Memphis, Tennessee, with a rate of 28 per 100,000; and Chicago, with a rate of 24 per 100,000. But some smaller cities reported a higher homicide rate than Baltimore’s. St. Louis, with a population slightly over 300,000, had a rate of 66 murders per 100,000 people.
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Republican here.
Cure for Chicago's problems?
Easy.

Focus on motive, incentive and intent. No different than what drives homicidal scumbags to pick up a firearm and descend upon a school house of worship or place of employment to maim and kill innocent people.

What causes/compelled one to engage in wanton violence in Chicago?
Is it a lifestyle?
Is it criminal enterprise due to a lack of legitimate enterprise to give individuals the means to provide for them and their families?

If we're being honest in wanting to end/reduce it, the focus needs to shift from what the implement of harm/death was/is, and focus on the individuals who consciously decided to harm/kill another.
That's if we are being honest.

Firearms are merely the distraction and unfortunately the focal point hence why nothing gets accomplished to reduce or stop it.

Firearms aren't doing it by themselves. Why the focus is upon firearms is baffling... you could have 1 wish. If you chose to erase firearms and all knowledge of firearms from this earth you have solved nothing as the implement will simply change.
If you wished evil motive incentive and intent away... the world could be swimming in firearms. Fatalities from homicidal actions would be non existent as people wouldn't have the interest in harming or killing another regardless of the weapon they sought.
Motive? Incentive? Intent?

That’s easy- to kill.

Most homicides are never solved. No one sees anything. No one talks. Family is protected and it’s understood there are consequences for talking.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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Its Chicago and this is their norm. AS I used to teach in leadership training.. You get what you accept.

Chicago has gang problems, drug problems, a large segment of the population has a complete distrust of law enforcement and refuse to cooperate. It's easier to just complain and make excuses.

My favorite excuse for Chicago gun violence is guns are easy to buy in Indiana. Well why doesn't Indiana and everywhere else where guns are easy to buy, have Chicagos problems?
Try Indianapolis.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ts/1975426002/

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For the fourth year in a row, Indianapolis has broken a new criminal homicide record.

The death of two men — who were shot and killed inside a vehicle on the east side late Wednesday — pushed the total dead in 2018 to 156. They joined five other men and one woman who have been killed so far in December.

This year's count eclipsed the 155 cases investigated by the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department last year and continued an annual climb in criminal homicides that began in 2011. It can create hopelessness at times.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nd-murder-rate

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DOES CHICAGO HAVE THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS IN THE NATION?

No. Trump and his administration have wrongly made this assertion . Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982. Those who'd already purchased and registered their handguns were allowed to keep them. In 2010, the ban was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, and in 2013, Illinois became the last state in the nation to approve concealed carry.
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WHAT ARE THE SOURCES OF ILLEGAL CHICAGO GUNS?

According to the Trace Report, about 40 percent of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago from 2013 to 2016 came from dealers in Illinois. The remaining 60 percent came from states with less regulation over firearms. Indiana accounted for about 1 in 5 of these weapons, followed by Mississippi and Wisconsin. The report says these trends have been consistent over the past decade. In the same time span, seven gun or sporting goods stores in Illinois were the top 10 source dealers of recovered weapons in Chicago. Three others were in Indiana.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:01 PM
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The South, more than any other region, has the highest murder rate. There was something I found when it came to murders. While a majority of murders were committed with firearms in each region, this is something I found. The South had the highest percentage of murders committed via "personal weapons", as in fists, feet, hands, etc. Basically, the South has a higher rate of murders committed via punching and kicking than any other region. The South has the most permissive gun laws in the USA. Oddly, it's the Midwest for which has a higher rate of its murders committed with firearms than elsewhere. The South ranks 2nd. The Midwest ranks #1 in terms of percentage of murders committed with "other weapons". This would be stuff like bats, pipes, blunt force weapons. Stuff that doesn't involve knives or firearms.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...egion_2014.xls
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Then what do you have in mind? Since the liberals won't support telling the fine people here to stop having babies they can't afford, and to work hard at something, there really isn't another solution. Lock them up.

Yeah, that will do it.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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The South, more than any other region, has the highest murder rate. There was something I found when it came to murders. While a majority of murders were committed with firearms in each region, this is something I found. The South had the highest percentage of murders committed via "personal weapons", as in fists, feet, hands, etc. Basically, the South has a higher rate of murders committed via punching and kicking than any other region. The South has the most permissive gun laws in the USA. Oddly, it's the Midwest for which has a higher rate of its murders committed with firearms than elsewhere. The South ranks 2nd. The Midwest ranks #1 in terms of percentage of murders committed with "other weapons". This would be stuff like bats, pipes, blunt force weapons. Stuff that doesn't involve knives or firearms.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...egion_2014.xls
Chicago actually has a much, much lower homicide rate than Birmingham, Jackson, New Orleans and many southern cities.

Hard to imagine that Chicago with so many shootings and homicides has about 1/3rd of the rate of Birmingham and Jackson

Many cities across America are considered some of the most violent in the world. Chicago has about the same homicide rate as Guatemala where people are leaving because of violence, but there are many small and medium sized cities that have double the homicide rate of Guatemala or Chicago across America.

The 27 shot in Chicago is certainly a massive number for one day, but on a per-capita basis many, many cities acros the country have far worse per-capita rates.

Birmingham and Jackson for instance have more than triple the homicide rate of Chicago.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2...-the-city.html

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...ar/1391392001/
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