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Old 06-09-2019, 05:14 PM
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Chicago actually has a much, much lower homicide rate than Birmingham, Jackson, New Orleans and many southern cities.

Hard to imagine that Chicago with so many shootings and homicides has about 1/3rd of the rate of Birmingham and Jackson

Many cities across America are considered some of the most violent in the world. Chicago has about the same homicide rate as Guatemala where people are leaving because of violence, but there are many small and medium sized cities that have double the homicide rate of Guatemala or Chicago across America.

The 27 shot in Chicago is certainly a massive number for one day, but on a per-capita basis many, many cities acros the country have far worse per-capita rates.

Birmingham and Jackson for instance have more than triple the homicide rate of Chicago.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2...-the-city.html

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...ar/1391392001/
The South, relative to other regions, has always been more violent. This has been a pattern for decades. Jackson and Birmingham being violent are no surprise to me. Birmingham has the characteristics of a Rust Belt city. Jackson, well, consider the problems Mississippi has had for years. And some of the smaller towns in Mississippi have had high murder rates.

Louisiana tops the list and has been topping the list for the past 30 years. New Orleans been one of the most murderous cities in the USA since the 1970s.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well Obama couldn't do anything about it so maybe Trump can BUT whatever he proposes is likely to be very non PC and so he will be attacked by the Left and media as some sort of racist Nazi as usual which means nothing will get done because it is deemed "mean" by the Left.



If you want the gun violence to stop they need to lock up everyone that is caught with an illegal gun.

Gangs, drugs violence and guns go hand in hand. The Police know who the bad guys are but their hands are practically tied in dealing with it beyond picking up the pieces.



They need to get tough on these gun toting thugs that are terrorizing the neighborhoods.
Presidents and Congress have no authority let alone influence on local crime.

8000 unlawful weapons are confiscated every year.

The state, not the city is responsible for Minimum Sentencing and Parole.

Chicago does not clear top ten in terms of homicide rates and yet managesfar more than its fair share of media and political attention. Why is this?


Chicago had 55 million overnight visitors, last year. Non Appetit name it the best restaurant city in the US. They spend enormous sums of money on lodging, dining, shopping and entertainment. They have no reason to venture into the 5/25 roughest neighborhoods and don’t.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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Then what do you have in mind? Since the liberals won't support telling the fine people here to stop having babies they can't afford, and to work hard at something, there really isn't another solution. Lock them up.
Locking them up did not work.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-policies.html

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Many close observers of Chicago’s violence believe that, as well-intentioned as it was, the systematic dismantling of gangs like the Disciples led directly to the violence that is devastating the city’s most dangerous neighborhoods in 2016. Taking out the individuals who ran the city’s drug trade, the theory goes, caused a fracturing of the city’s criminal underworld and produced a vast constellation of new entities that are no less violent, and possibly even more menacing, than their vanquished predecessors.
Also note there has been a rise in White gangs. Though this is mostly in California, not in Chicago, the Aryan Brotherhood has been a big factor in violence.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/feds...ry?id=63559060

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In a 143-page criminal complaint, an undercover DEA agent maps out an extensive organized crime network alleged to have orchestrated assassinations, weapons smuggling operations and drug trafficking across multiple states

At the center of the investigation are two of the three alleged members of the Aryan Brotherhood's leadership commission, Ronald Yandell, 56, and Daniel Troxell, 66. When the investigation started, both were already serving life sentences in prison for murder.
Heck, apparently there were Salvation Army Bell Ringers with Aryan Brotherhood patches in Northwest Indiana. Christmas 2018.

Photos of several men wearing leather jackets, one with a Confederate flag patch and another with a patch that reads “Aryan”, while bell ringing for the Salvation Army were shared on facebook (since taken down).

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/11...t-nwi-walmart/
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The illegal drug trade and the ability to make thousands in a day or an hour has far more to do with this war in the streets than the ability for "welfare queens" to make hundreds in a month for an extra baby. Both are factors but at a hugely different scale. Criminals having easy access to guns they are often not eligible to own because of prior convictions is a big factor. It is unlikely the war in the street ever ends but the best hopes would be to be to significantly reduce the market value of the street drug trade by reducing addicts and probably making some drugs legal (at least weed). Do more people need to get kicked out of subsidized housing for illegal activity or covering for / supporting illegal activity? Probably. Is that public housing policy, one to de-emphasize or eliminate given the experience? Maybe. Making it harder to sell guns to illegal owners would also probably help some. Not much, but some. One more way to convict and remove. Making more drugs than weed legal for a time - for the purpose of a disruptive shock to the business and organization of street drug gangs and the drug cartels- might be worth considering. This is not my area of expertise but doing and not doing the same old stuff isn't working. Study what other countries do. I assume our overall tactics are less successful than some others.


I am for aggressive RICO actions to fight organized crime. Asset seizures. Maybe expanded probable cause for search. I don't know where the exact lines are for what to do and not but I'd probably push for more tools to fight the problem more effectively.
Illinois is the 11 th state to make recreational marijuana legal, effective 1/1/2020.

I don’t think it is going to put a dent in gang activity.

Hope I am mistaken.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Instead of letting politically motivated DA's from pleading down murders and violence were the CRIMINAL uses a gun, throw the book at them and make sure they are off the street for a long time, not just a slap on the wrist, or house arrest which they always violated. Or the get a few years and are out in one. Make the commission of a crime using a gun a HORRIBLY long jail sentence. Make room for them by NOT jailing drug USERS.

Enable law abiding citizens to legally own and carry firearms in which to protect themselves. Obviously, the police can not, and that is not their job anyway. Eliminate "Gun Free Zones".

That's a start.
The state, not the city, controls minimum sentencing and parole.

Nothing prevents law abiding people in Chicago or Illinois. from owning and concealed carrying firearms, providing licensing and permitting like most states require.

The vast majority of gun homicides occur on the streets, not in gun free zones.

Most gun free zones in the US do not have metal detectors, unless municipal, county or federal buildings.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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One solution is to wall off the ghetto, sterilize the women, and let them kill each other off.
And leave the males intact?
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The state, not the city, controls minimum sentencing and parole.

Nothing prevents law abiding people in Chicago or Illinois. from owning and concealed carrying firearms, providing licensing and permitting like most states require.

The vast majority of gun homicides occur on the streets, not in gun free zones.

Most gun free zones in the US do not have metal detectors, unless municipal, county or federal buildings.
The public streets of Chicago are supposed to be gun free zones. At least as far as discharging them.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Gangs are criminals. Pass all the laws (regulations) that you want. Just more for them to ignore. Eliminate the laws and there will still be gangs fighting over turf. Legalize the drugs and they will still kill over who gets to sell the legal ones. You have to find a way to change the culture and no one has figured any way to do that.
Change can only happen from within.

Those who can are fleeing the gang infected areas and migrating south- a reverse migration- one of the major causes of population decline in the city.

50 schools have been closed due to lack of enrollment. More to come.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'm pro-legalization of a lot of drugs, but not all.

Let me pose a hard question I asked a friend of mine who is an actual defense lawyer that has had many clients they've defended against drug charges either minor stuff up to higher level dealer.

If you have someone with no real-world skills making 100k a year or whatever selling drugs etc. and you legalize the drugs. Do you think they'll go get a job at McDonalds or wherever even if it paid 30k a year?

My position is that many would remain in the lifestyle but would migrate to other illegal activity. I agree it would decrease but I think that the idea that it would be anywhere near fully commensurate with the drug trade is false.
I don’t think most of those slinging dope on the West side are making $100,000/ year. They may do better than a McDonald’s wage especially considering immature cognition, propensity for drama and violence, lack of interpersonal skills and discipline.

Those higher up the food chain have a demonstrated skill in logistics.
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Old 06-09-2019, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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There is no way to do that. The government can lock up gang members. The government can even criminalize gang membership. However, it has never been able to solve the cultural problems behind gangs forming. The question is how to stop gangs from forming. That, no one has been able to solve. Classifying them as terrorist organizations won't stop the problem either.
Gang history in the US dates back at least 230 years. Used to be that it was possible to broker peace between gangs. That is no longer the case as leaders are in prison, mentoring inmates or dead. The gangs have become splintered and there’s no single point of leadership, anymore.

So many of the shootings are triggered by personal disputes in social media.

It’s like a bunch of tots in a sandbox calling each other poo- poo heads.
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