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Old 06-12-2019, 04:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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Here in Massachusetts it's the liberals with their beachfront homes on Nantucket Sound who are fighting tooth and nail to block the wind farms that will blot their million dollar views.
Typical liberal/progressive NIMBYS. They also cheat on their taxes to not pay so much, yet want everyone else to pay more. Hypocrites.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:59 AM
 
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Typical liberal/progressive NIMBYS. They also cheat on their taxes to not pay so much, yet want everyone else to pay more. Hypocrites.
Oh just stop. I don't see Republicans lining the Florida coast willing to give up a little view. Our beaches won't tolerate a 1 foot rise but no one is asking for renewable energy here. Huckabee is still whining about people walking on the beach blocking his view.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:07 AM
 
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The coal industry also gets subsidies, so that should not determine how much of an edge renewable has.

"...The coal industry and its allies in the Trump administration have devoted considerable energy to arguing that subsidies to renewable energy have distorted energy markets and helped drive coal out of business ..."

"...Energy analysts have made the point again and again that fossil fuels, not renewable energy, most benefit from supportive public policy. Yet this fact, so inconvenient to the conservative worldview, never seems to sink in to the energy debate in a serious way. The supports offered to fossil fuels are so old and familiar, they fade into the background. It is support offered to challengers — typically temporary, fragmentary, and politically uncertain support — that is forever in the spotlight..."


https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envir...-oil-subsidies

https://www.taxpayer.net/energy-natu...-of-subsidies/

Just to add looking at the inflated study cited in the Vox article....

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Inadequate industry fees recouped to cover the Abandoned Mine Land Grant Fund ($400 million):
This is funded by active coal mines, they all pay X amount per ton. It is used to reclaim abandoned mining land which can date back more than a century. Gold mines, ore mines, coal mines, any type of mine. Not a great example but the EPA debacle in Colorado at that abandoned gold mine a few years back was primarily funded by active coal mines.

The way I like to analogize this is if the government required the big three to clean up hundreds of abandoned properties from car companies that went bankrupt early in the past century. We will also require them to pay to clean up abandoned rail yards and ship yards.

I do not know where they are getting this 400 million shortfall from but any funding is effectively a gift to the taxpayer therefore any shortfall is certainly not a subsidy.

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Old 06-12-2019, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Moving away from coal is good. Aside from renewables, natural gas is our best bet and burns very clean.
One sore spot for me is the greenie groups that want to have all the dams demolished, when everything and everyone would actually benefit from holding back more water.
If we were smart we'd put Hydro electric on every stretch of water that could handle it... Low head, run of the river. Everywhere....There's 12 gig worth on existing non powered dams now...

https://www.energy.gov/articles/ener...-us-hydropower


https://hydrosource.ornl.gov/
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