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Old 06-17-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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Many liberals eventually become conservative. If a liberal did not become well off, then they become conservative.

Any liberal that calls for all the changes that they are pushing recently and then see first hand at the cost it takes to implement these policies they will revolt against it.

You want open borders? Sure, once these immigrants starts coming to your home town and need free food, rent, and healthcare. And your taxes go up. You'll think otherwise.

Want environmental regulations? Ok, Obama was about to increase gas and car sales tax by 25% if the mpg doesn't meet standards and penalize gas consumption. Liberals may say they are driving Teslas and could care less. But the cost of goods and services for people who deliver these things will pass down to consumers.

This is why liberals usually don't understand the cause and effects to their issues. Very few liberals understand it until they start paying for the stuff then they complain why taxes and costs goes up without justification.
Contrary to my Cement Theory and all evidence that suggests otherwise...

Why We Believe What We Do...

but if you say so...
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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I feel the same way.
Plus, let's be honest for a second: Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate. Really. She lost at least as much as Trump won.
Ugh...

Though true Hillary lost at least to the extent that Trump won. Why, however, is where there remains LOTS of room for discussion. The answer to the question of why simply depends on who you ask, as usual...
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No doubt your further definition about Trump supporters makes sense, but also of course we all know where the Evangelists tend to lean in a big way, the Religious Right too, and it ain't toward the left...

Poll: white evangelical support for Trump is at an all-time high
No wonder. Their number 1 political issue is to get abortion banned. Seldom has there been a president more supportive of them than Trump. His shady background doesn't matter. Furthermore, young evangelicals will easily defend and embrace rap performers who come out against abortion even if their popular songs are full of foul words and ugly themes. It certainly doesn't matter to many evangelicals if their music or commentary strikes some people as sounding racist and anti-gay.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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LMAO. Man I must give you all credit, you all come up with some of the craziest posts on this board. It seems all conservatives know everything about Liberals and the Left. Thanks for the chuckle.
Not sure whether to LMAO or cry, but no doubt there are lots of crazy notions floating about out there...
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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No wonder. Their number 1 political issue is to get abortion banned. Seldom has there been a president more supportive of them than Trump. His shady background doesn't matter. Furthermore, young evangelicals will easily defend and embrace rap performers who come out against abortion even if their popular songs are full of foul words and ugly themes. It certainly doesn't matter to many evangelicals if their music or commentary strikes some people as sounding racist and anti-gay.
No wonder is right, and number 2 reason if not tied for 1 is their intolerance for gay people...

One of my best friends recently admitted to me that he is a registered Republican, because he "just doesn't go for all this gays are okay" stuff the Democrats tend to promote, let alone gay marriage. True story and one I think true for all too many Americans still today in this day and age.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:40 PM
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Many liberals eventually become conservative. If a liberal did not become well off, then they become conservative.

Any liberal that calls for all the changes that they are pushing recently and then see first hand at the cost it takes to implement these policies they will revolt against it.

You want open borders? Sure, once these immigrants starts coming to your home town and need free food, rent, and healthcare. And your taxes go up. You'll think otherwise.

Want environmental regulations? Ok, Obama was about to increase gas and car sales tax by 25% if the mpg doesn't meet standards and penalize gas consumption. Liberals may say they are driving Teslas and could care less. But the cost of goods and services for people who deliver these things will pass down to consumers.

This is why liberals usually don't understand the cause and effects to their issues. Very few liberals understand it until they start paying for the stuff then they complain why taxes and costs goes up without justification.
Or, you could have my political history. I started age 18 a liberal, well, sort of. I was more like "whatever is best for Black people". I got around some religious conservatives, and took on that slant. I voted Republican partially for that reason. I got more and more disappointed with the Republican Party towards 2005-2006. Hearing relatives talk about the issues surrounding how Hurricane Katrina was handled played a big factor. And then things like renewable energy, gas prices going up, a junk mass transit system where I was living, wondering if the Republican Party really gave a crap a Black people, etc. I started reading about socialism and started turning against conservatism, in most aspects (there is still a religious part in me to this day). I became more and more left-leaning towards the late 2000s into the early 2010s. These days I've become more independent, not identifying with the left or the right. 2016 did that to me.

I supported conservatism when I felt it might serve me. When I figured it wouldn't, I switched in a heartbeat. As I've gotten older I've learned "vote with what's in your own best interests, as far as politics is concerned".
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Israel
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No wonder is right, and number 2 reason if not tied for 1 is their intolerance for gay people...

One of my best friends recently admitted to me that he is a registered Republican, because he "just doesn't go for all this gays are okay" stuff the Democrats tend to promote, let alone gay marriage. True story and one I think true for all too many Americans still today in this day and age.
Your friend doesn't represent Republicans as a whole. Far from it.

I'm definitely pro-choice, and have no issue with gays and lesbians, which I see as individuals who are free to live the lives they want. The average Republican is not some kind of religious extremist.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:12 PM
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Your friend doesn't represent Republicans as a whole. Far from it.

I'm definitely pro-choice, and have no issue with gays and lesbians, which I see as individuals who are free to live the lives they want. The average Republican is not some kind of religious extremist.
Well, it depends on where you live. In the northeast, I suspect there would be Republicans who are pro-choice or pro-gay marriage. You could say the same for Florida from points Orlando southward. Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, not at all. I live in Georgia and most Republicans here are not for gay marriage or abortion.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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No wonder. Their number 1 political issue is to get abortion banned. Seldom has there been a president more supportive of them than Trump. His shady background doesn't matter. Furthermore, young evangelicals will easily defend and embrace rap performers who come out against abortion even if their popular songs are full of foul words and ugly themes. It certainly doesn't matter to many evangelicals if their music or commentary strikes some people as sounding racist and anti-gay.



Nor does it seem to matter that in all likelihood their (the Evangelicals) preferred candidate is heading downstairs after he is judged (not that POTUS believes in any of that).
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Israel
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Well, it depends on where you live. In the northeast, I suspect there would be Republicans who are pro-choice or pro-gay marriage. You could say the same for Florida from points Orlando southward. Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, not at all. I live in Georgia and most Republicans here are not for gay marriage or abortion.
Yes, exactly. In fact, in NYC (in the city proper), you would be hard-pressed to find a Republican who isn't pro-choice.
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