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Old 06-17-2019, 02:30 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Or, you could have my political history. I started age 18 a liberal, well, sort of. I was more like "whatever is best for Black people". I got around some religious conservatives, and took on that slant. I voted Republican partially for that reason. I got more and more disappointed with the Republican Party towards 2005-2006. Hearing relatives talk about the issues surrounding how Hurricane Katrina was handled played a big factor. And then things like renewable energy, gas prices going up, a junk mass transit system where I was living, wondering if the Republican Party really gave a crap a Black people, etc. I started reading about socialism and started turning against conservatism, in most aspects (there is still a religious part in me to this day). I became more and more left-leaning towards the late 2000s into the early 2010s. These days I've become more independent, not identifying with the left or the right. 2016 did that to me.

I supported conservatism when I felt it might serve me. When I figured it wouldn't, I switched in a heartbeat. As I've gotten older I've learned "vote with what's in your own best interests, as far as politics is concerned".
You'll realize that all politicians only care about numbers. If a certain % of voter base leans towards a certain issue they support it. Very few Politician that dare to break away from the masses to go against a popular opinion.

My problem with liberals is not about liberalism, it's about the current platform. It is far from true liberalism.

Support illegals and open border policy is not liberalism and it is supporting anarchy.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Israel
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My problem with liberals is not about liberalism, it's about the current platform. It is far from true liberalism.

Support illegals and open border policy is not liberalism and it is supporting anarchy.
Yep. Absolutely.

Like Green_mariner, I was liberal when I was a teenager. I supported Gore back in 2000. I grew more conservative with the years. Wasn't a fan of McCain - way too much of a warmonger IMO. I originally liked Obama (or at least I saw him as the lesser of 2 evils), but he turned out to be a warmonger, too, in line with the neo-cons.
The very idea of a Hillary-Clinton presidency gave me the chills.

Trump saved the US and the world from that, and he turned out to be a good President in many ways.
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:29 PM
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Yep. Absolutely.

Like Green_mariner, I was liberal when I was a teenager. I supported Gore back in 2000. I grew more conservative with the years. Wasn't a fan of McCain - way too much of a warmonger IMO. I originally liked Obama (or at least I saw him as the lesser of 2 evils), but he turned out to be a warmonger, too, in line with the neo-cons.
The very idea of a Hillary-Clinton presidency gave me the chills.

Trump saved the US and the world from that, and he turned out to be a good President in many ways.
Actually, started out liberal at 18, became conservative within 6 months of turning 18, mainly as a result of religious right influence. I voted for Bush in 2004. About a year later I started turning away from conservatism. I felt like conservatives looked out for what was important to me. I stayed very left leaning until about 2011. I started thinking that maybe there isn't going to be as much progress as I thought. It was around 2015 that I started becoming independent. I saw that neither Trump or Clinton would be good presidential candidates. That's why I voted for Johnson. At this point, I've adopted the "look out for personal interests first" mentality when it comes to politics. Part of it comes from knowing that my neighbor is going to look out for self. Many people look out for self. There is not as much "we're in this together" as we'd like to think.

To be honest, I never wanted Trump to run for office. I knew about him before he ran. I knew about his Central Park 5 rant. I knew about him constantly claiming that Obama wasn't from the USA. I figured "I don't want this bigot running for office". Trump showed how vulgar and thoughtless he could be. He said "I whine until I get what I want". He tweeted a very stupid statement regarding the Baltimore riots. It started with "our great African-American president....". Why would I want to vote for someone who says things like that? And then his "I like soldiers who weren't captured" rant. He could have come up with a better way to express disagreement with McCain than that. And then his "look at my African-American over there" comment at a rally in Redding,CA. Stupidity. He also retweeted an anti-Black tweet that came from a Neo-Nazi twitter account. Then he played it off by saying "I never check my sources". Stuff like this convinced me he was too unstable to be the President of this country. And the latest controversy, talking about that he would probably accept information about the opposition from a foreign source. I don't see him as a good President. I haven't seen anything that would make me think he's a good President.
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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As the libs try to figure out Trump and are becoming increasingly deranged they prove the premise. The Trump base runs in the background untouched by the lamestream media and the imitation wonks in print media as well. The major failure of conservatism so far is our failure to put arch constitutionalists/patriots in the educational pipeline in the 60's when leftist nut cases were everywhere. They have now harvested a crop of witless snowflakes who are twisted in every way. Eco freaks and tree huggers who get a sense of worth from recycling, rather than understanding the brilliance of our founding fathers and the constitution. As the USA was setup to prosper with self sustaining capitalist citizens who don't need to rely on government, it's probably not going to end well.

Thanks to the OP for the best laugh of the day. This is what happens when ignorance and arrogance come together.
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Old 06-17-2019, 05:11 PM
 
Location: USA
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No wonder. Their number 1 political issue is to get abortion banned. Seldom has there been a president more supportive of them than Trump. His shady background doesn't matter. Furthermore, young evangelicals will easily defend and embrace rap performers who come out against abortion even if their popular songs are full of foul words and ugly themes. It certainly doesn't matter to many evangelicals if their music or commentary strikes some people as sounding racist and anti-gay.
"Evangelicals" "anti-gay"? You do know there 100s if not thousands of Evangelical churches that have LGBT affirming houses of worship? I dont know why some people here act like all Evangelicals are the same. Source: Gaychurch.org
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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It takes a pretty selfish person to only consider what serves them best rather than what is best for our country as a whole. I don't admire the "it's all about me" attitude. I couldn't sleep at night but then some of us aren't self-centered or tribal.
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Old 06-17-2019, 06:29 PM
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It takes a pretty selfish person to only consider what serves them best rather than what is best for our country as a whole. I don't admire the "it's all about me" attitude. I couldn't sleep at night but then some of us aren't self-centered or tribal.
Well, this is how I understand things. Two people might live next door to one another. However, they will have different problems, different issues. They are going to pick the person who will look out for their interests. They aren't going to think in terms of "look out for national interests". For person A, a problem they need addressed is more important to them than the national interests. Why? Because person A figured person B will vote for a person who supports policies that are against person A's interest. Person A is going to look out for self because person A figures person B might be a threat to them.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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Your friend doesn't represent Republicans as a whole. Far from it.

I'm definitely pro-choice, and have no issue with gays and lesbians, which I see as individuals who are free to live the lives they want. The average Republican is not some kind of religious extremist.
No, of course not "Republicans as a whole," just like evangelists in general, but too many Republicans. That's the problem...
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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Yes, exactly. In fact, in NYC (in the city proper), you would be hard-pressed to find a Republican who isn't pro-choice.
By a wide margin (59% to 36%), Republicans say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ould-be-legal/
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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You'll realize that all politicians only care about numbers. If a certain % of voter base leans towards a certain issue they support it. Very few Politician that dare to break away from the masses to go against a popular opinion.

My problem with liberals is not about liberalism, it's about the current platform. It is far from true liberalism.

Support illegals and open border policy is not liberalism and it is supporting anarchy.
The way conservatives characterize liberalism as "supporting illegals and open border policy" let alone anarchy, is no different than characterizing conservatives as racists (though there may be some truth in the case of some people). If you get my drift...?
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