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Old 06-11-2019, 01:21 PM
Status: "I hate living in Georgia!!" (set 7 days ago)
 
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This is my background. I come from a middle class Black family. My parents are what you would call "liberal", well, in some cases. There are issues they are conservative on, mostly for religious reasons. However, I come from a family of Democrats. I've become more independent in my views. I don't classify myself as a liberal or a conservative. However, I do have an understanding when it comes to conservatives. What I know regarding conservatives doesn't come from what I watch on television or what politicians tell me. What I know comes from growing up in a predominantly White, conservative area in Georgia, which is also a red state, with its own nuances. What I know comes from actually living around conservatives, both when I was in high school, and in college.

Now, had I lived outside of the southeast, I might have seen different things. But one thing I've learned is that there are many nuances. When I was in college, I ran into many conservatives who came from middle-upper class homes. Middle upper class conservatives were certainly different from many working class conservatives that I've been around. One major issue I remember in Georgia during 2000-2001 was over the state flag. Up until 2000, the Confederate flag was featured prominently on the state's flag. Being a Black person, and having learned about what the Confederate cause was, I grew to have a strong hatred for the Confederate (I have an even stronger hatred for it today). I noticed something else. The persons who were the most adamant supporters for the Confederate flag, were persons who happened to be White, working class, and conservative. I never saw this adamant support from middle upper class White conservative individuals. There seemed to be an indifference towards the issue.

Some things in common: I also among both kinds of conservatives, they agreed on being pro-life, belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, and tended to support issues that were more in line with the religious right. This is among those who were church-going persons.

One thing I did notice is this. With many working class conservatives I've been around, one major mentality I've noticed is a kind of "siege" mentality. This feeling of "we're all under siege". I haven't seen it as much from middle upper class conservatives. The most ardent Trump supporters I've seen have been among the working class. This is what I've noticed.

When it comes to race, this is where things get rather murky. I've met maybe 2 or 3 Black people in my life who identified as conservative. All of them were more or less religious conservatives. I remember meeting more Asians or Hispanic persons who were conservative. I've never seen any Black person wear a MAGA hat, not in public. Actually, the only persons I've seen wear MAGA hats are White conservatives, mainly men. I've seen maybe one or two women with a MAGA hat. As far as race relations go, this has varied alot. And before anyone tries to flip this on me, I will preface this by saying that, no, not every conservative is a racist. I'm simply stating what I have personally experience. This does not reflect every conservative out there. This is what I experienced growing up. There were certainly conservative persons that were not racist. And I've run into so-called liberals did have a racist mindset. However, in my experiences, the persons who called me the "N" word the most, the persons who were the most "in my face" with their disdain for Blacks, they were often conservative. Now, I'm speaking of what I experienced where I lived. Had I lived in California, New York, Florida, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, etc, it might have been a different experience.

My perspective comes from being in situations where I've often been the odd man out. It comes from my personal life experiences. I've learned that many conservatives are going to look out for their own interests, just as liberals, and pretty much any group will. I also know there are nuances when it comes to conservatives. I know people who adamantly supported Bush, but can't stand Trump. I know a guy who was a conservative, and then Trump came along. He voted for Gary Johnson. There are alot of nuances. I can speak for what I have been around and experienced. I know that where I currently live, I'm around many staunch Trump supporters based bumper stickers, MAGA hats, and other things I've seen around me. I understand conservatives more that someone would give me credit for. I live in a conservative area and I'm around them. This is my understanding. Many conservatives do not like change.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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liberals tend to use "critical thinking" skills were one examines ALL points of view...conservatives tend to only support their point of view...by examining all points of view one sometimes becomes uncertain...as in wise men are full of doubt and fools so certain of themselves
Personally I know plenty of conservatives that are indeed "critical thinkers"...myself included. We weigh all sides of the issues. I also know plenty of liberals that are not. Every bit as close-minded as you portray the conservatives. Perhaps people that make blanket statement such as this aren't really "critical thinkers!"
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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Personally I know plenty of conservatives that are indeed "critical thinkers"...myself included. We weigh all sides of the issues. I also know plenty of liberals that are not. Every bit as close-minded as you portray the conservatives. Perhaps people that make blanket statement such as this aren't really "critical thinkers!"
As do I. Conservatives tend to think with logic not emotion like most liberals do. I think most conservatists are realists instead of living in some fantasy world as liberals do. We also respect the rule of law, our borders and soveirgnty as a nation. Liberals seem to think we should open our borders to all that want to come here even if they are a burden to our society. Most conservatives have old fashioned values not these silly so-called progressive values.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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You are right.
I guess some people will throw all their ideology and beliefs aside, to get what they want.

I think their main goals are to do away with Row Vs Wade, build the wall, Stopping Muslim Immigrants and bringing back coal.....not caring really what else they have to sacrifice in the terms of integrity and decency to get there. Or in terms of Democracy or what the majority of people really want.
Many of us conservatives think that abortion should be for certain circumstances not just on demand and in not for late term pregnancies unless the mother's life is in danger. We are for both women and men acting responsibly before engaging in sex by using birth control. Seems reasonable to me.

What's wrong with building a wall on the border where it is feasible especially since those in place already have been very effective in reducing illegal entry? Seems reasonable to me.

We aren't for stopping Muslim immigrants from coming here unless they are the radical type. However, we don't always know if they are or aren't. We just have to be cautious with immigrants from known terrorists countries. Seems reasonable to me.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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Which is kind of funny how the evangelicals support Trump who has divorced 3x and had extra-marital affairs.
All politicians have skeletons in their closet. What Trump did in the past does not gauge his ability to lead. He's in a marriage now that seems to be lasting. I don't care about personality but policy. The latter is what will cause us to sink or swim.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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There are several posters here, who I could even name specifically if I didn't fear a TOS violation, who called Michelle Obama "Mooch"
There is one who also likes to use the name Harambe when referring to her. Also some use Michael based on the conspiracy theory that she is really a he.

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Old 06-11-2019, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Israel
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"Conservatives understand libs and the way they think.....reverse is not true."

Not always true, but many times, yes. For a very simple reason: quite a few conservatives are former liberals. (There are liberals that are former conservatives, too, but I believe it is a lot less common).

These former liberals know how libs think and how they feel, because they were one of them when they were younger.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Israel
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Personally I know plenty of conservatives that are indeed "critical thinkers"...myself included. We weigh all sides of the issues. I also know plenty of liberals that are not. Every bit as close-minded as you portray the conservatives. Perhaps people that make blanket statement such as this aren't really "critical thinkers!"
Yes. Absolutely. While there are some open-minded liberals out there, most aren't IMHO. They are very quick to label you as a "racist" or a "bigot" if you disagree with them. Which tends to end the discussion right there.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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On C-D, I have never read a single post from a con or a Trumpist that gave any evidence that there was actual understanding of liberals. Far from it. It has always seemed that understanding liberals is not a goal; the fun part is just denegrating, labeling, and demonizing liberals. Its like a schoolyard bully; half the fun is calling out belittling names and getting away with it. It makes them feel more powerful.
Yes, this is a serious quote, and I believe it to be true. I did not address the issue of liberals understanding conservatives/Trumpers. I think there is a lot of misunderstanding and name calling there, too. So it is on both sides. I was just addressing the assertion that Trumpers understand liberals. You don't. I am just tired of having liberals demonized by calling us commies and people who hate the country. Neither is true. And I'm sure Trumpers are sick of being called stupid or whatever else you are called.

Such is the quality of political discourse right now: rotten, unproductive, and beneath us as a country.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:51 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Though the original post was, well, psychotic, it is correct about one thing: no, I definitely do not understand how conservatives think.

Money is more important than people?
You are proud to have a leader of the free world who groped women and mocked special needs?
You voted for someone who said a war hero is a loser and still maintains that hatred after his death?
You are proud of how the animals are dying, we are choking, and crops are becoming more scarce due to global warming?
You are proudly shunning the science of global warming though it may actually kill your own grand kids/ great grand kids?

No I do NOT understand the conservative thoughts nor dogma.

T.H.A.N.K. G.O.D. !!!!
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