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Old 06-11-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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It's funny because it will never happen.


Oh and yes, I live in NY.


Legal marijuana is dead for now, and you think the eegits in Albany are going to make sex work legal? Think on!

I was not debating the likelihood of it actually happening in NY. But according to polls a majority of NY'ers support legalizing marijuana so there is a disconnect between Albany and the masses. And when politicians appear to be doing the opposite of what their constituents want sometimes that forces change.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego County
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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...511067151.html


I say do it. What two consenting adults do with their time and money should be their business. Tax it, license it and make sure no one under age or against their will is doing it. And get it off the streets. A win-win.
"The bill will likely face a battle in the Democratic-controlled state legislature. As BuzzFeed notes, decriminalization efforts for sex work have faced opposition from religious groups and anti-trafficking advocates. (The Hill)". - Prostitution was commonly legal in the United States over a hundred years ago. San Francisco (Barbary Coast), New Orleans (Storyville), Manhattan, Texas, Alaska and almost all states in the west. The prohibition of prostitution about 100 years ago was a mistake, it was only necessary to regulate it well. IMHO every county in the state New York should decide about the legality of prostitution (as in the state of Nevada, prostitution is legal only in a few counties and not in the whole state Nevada) because, for example, voters have no problem with legal prostitution in Manhattan but there may be a big problem to approve of legal prostitution somewhere in upstate New York.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:18 AM
 
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Of course there has to be a red light district where its allowed and not allowed on the street.
That is not what they are trying to do. They want it both ways. It will be "work" but they also want the option of being anonymous, and of course self report earnings - lol. That is like expecting online Cam Girlz to file and pay taxes. The hookers and their fanboys want freebies for their line of "work", but also government protection. They want to be able to do their legal Business where, when and how they want.

If they had a tightly controlled Red Light district, all of the "workers" registered, with no anonymity and nowhere near residential areas, fine. But this will not happen. Cities which did have those districts where authorities looked the other way got rid of them.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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A big reason those things are going on now is its underground and difficult to stop.



Of course there has to be a red light district where its allowed and not allowed on the street.

There is also a connection between sex trafficking, human trafficking and illegal drug sales. A friend of mine's brother got convicted of running alien's to a drop house in his taxi. He would pick them up near the Mexican border and take them up to Phoenix. Because he drove a taxi he was less likely to get popped since he could just say he had no idea they were illegal which happened a few times and he was not arrested. But he got greedy and had one guy hiding in the trunk when he got pulled over. Hard to justify that. Anyways after he got out of prison we 3 were talking and he was saying these drop houses also sold drugs and had prostitutes working out of them. I am sure these women were forced into it. They would change locations often and these places were essentially run by the cartel connected individuals.
When the cartels are involved, ALL sorts of crimes are involved, they do not discriminate!


They are most known for being drug cartels, (supplying the US with illegal street drugs), but they are also in the human trafficking business, child sex rings, the arms smuggling business, etc etc, basically, where there is a demand, they will meet it or supply it...for a price.
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:30 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Of course there has to be a red light district where its allowed and not allowed on the street.
Most of my friends don't support the concept of a red light district. Like street prostitution it involves a third person and control over real estate thus access to market. Both of which spark pimping and attracts a criminal element. Indoor prostitution in private by independent people asserting their right over dominion of body has so far been the best form of legalization. This is similar to the situation in certain countries in which prostitution is still illegal but simply a blind eye is turned and the laws are not enforced.

It models body autonomy that the rest of already exercise... Exchange of money or valuables is irrevelant.

Simple decriminalization and to be left alone is they seek.
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Old 06-11-2019, 08:33 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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That is not what they are trying to do. They want it both ways. It will be "work" but they also want the option of being anonymous, and of course self report earnings - lol. That is like expecting online Cam Girlz to file and pay taxes. The hookers and their fanboys want freebies for their line of "work", but also government protection. They want to be able to do their legal Business where, when and how they want.

If they had a tightly controlled Red Light district, all of the "workers" registered, with no anonymity and nowhere near residential areas, fine. But this will not happen. Cities which did have those districts where authorities looked the other way got rid of them.
Sex workers... Outside of prostitution such as dancers already pay taxes and don't need to be registered. Prostitution as a form of work doesn't need to be any different. There is no issue to be made here.

If there is genuine interest in helping women transition out of prostitution to other work, then why would you force them to expose themselves in a society that is generally hostile to sex work? Anything less than privacy protections makes that interest or care fake... It still a. Form of punishment and control over body. No one needs to register themselves to have sex with someone else of their choosing....

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Old 06-11-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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When the cartels are involved, ALL sorts of crimes are involved, they do not discriminate!


They are most known for being drug cartels, (supplying the US with illegal street drugs), but they are also in the human trafficking business, child sex rings, the arms smuggling business, etc etc, basically, where there is a demand, they will meet it or supply it...for a price.
Criminals certainly don't. Let's be clear here... No one who supports legalization is claiming it as a silver bullet to trafficking. We still need to invest resources to fighting it.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...511067151.html


I say do it. What two consenting adults do with their time and money should be their business. Tax it, license it and make sure no one under age or against their will is doing it. And get it off the streets. A win-win.
Good. Another way to remove people from the welfare roles and the unemployment line. If "sex work" is made legal, I would expect all applications for benefits to be denied until ALL LEGAL means of employment are exhausted and that includes sex work.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Sex workers... Outside of prostitution such as dancers already pay taxes and don't need to be registered. Prostitution as a form of work doesn't need to be any different. There is no issue to be made here.

If there is genuine interest in helping women transition out of prostitution to other work, then why would you force them to expose themselves in a society that is generally hostile to sex work? Anything less than privacy protections makes that interest or care fake... It still a. Form of punishment and control over body. No one needs to register themselves to have sex with someone else of their choosing....
Dancers work at an establishment which is regulated. Strip clubs can't just open anywhere. Plus that isn't really sex work, they can't even be touched.

Hookers want to work from wherever doing whatever. Then want protection?
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Dancers work at an establishment which is regulated. Strip clubs can't just open anywhere. Plus that isn't really sex work, they can't even be touched.

Hookers want to work from wherever doing whatever. Then want protection?
Dancers are considered as part of sex work. And while the club itself is regulated like a bar and adult shop location wise and how they can offer services the dancers themselves are treated and protected just like everyone else working any job. You don't need to register anything but as an employee. In NJ, you don't even need to be considered an employee since they are not actually in payroll.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_worker?wprov=sfla1

Sex work includes phone sex operators and erotic dancers.

No one is implying that hookers want to work everywhere and anywhere.... Anymore that the rest of us are allowed to perform sex acts in public or sell liquor in public. Asking the law to respect dominion over body and privacy doesn't equate to doing whatever nor wherever. No need to be disengenious..
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