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Old 06-10-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Isn't this the reason many were incarcerated - drug dealing or possession? I guess the other heroin facilitation programs have worked so well.

The first such site in North America was opened in 2003 in Vancouver, B.C., a city that is currently experiencing record high levels of heroin and opioid overdoses, despite the original facility, and a second, being in operation. Vancouver is also looking at decriminalizing heroin use in a controversial attempt at reducing drug deaths.

The logic escapes me -- giving more access to drugs will reduce drug deaths? The inmates are running the asylum.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/09/c...-site-inmates/
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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Isn't this the reason many were incarcerated - drug dealing or possession? I guess the other heroin facilitation programs have worked so well.

The first such site in North America was opened in 2003 in Vancouver, B.C., a city that is currently experiencing record high levels of heroin and opioid overdoses, despite the original facility, and a second, being in operation. Vancouver is also looking at decriminalizing heroin use in a controversial attempt at reducing drug deaths.

The logic escapes me -- giving more access to drugs will reduce drug deaths? The inmates are running the asylum.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/09/c...-site-inmates/
No, its actually a safer alternative to the illegal (unregulated) heroin,that was being smuggled in and used.


This lack of quality standards/ regulation is why we had lots of overdose deaths last year when heroin was laced with the elephant tranquilizer, Carfentanyl... users had NO IDEA what they were using and it killed them.


When addicts KNOW what they are taking, its safer for everyone, when its illegal, there is no regulation, no standards, basically anything under the kitchen sink could be mixed into the batch and users would have no clue.


If the goal is harm reduction, regulation and quality standards are the only way to do it.


* Just a side note here, street heroin is a dirty dark color when mixed with water, on the other hand, pharmaceutical grade Heroin, is crystal clear, looks like water...what sounds like the safer drug to use?
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:40 PM
 
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Go to jail, get hooked on smack, the Canadian dream.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:41 PM
 
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Go to jail, get hooked on smack, the Canadian dream.
If that's how you understood the information in the article -- you need to go back and read again.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:49 PM
 
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If that's how you understood the information in the article -- you need to go back and read again.
How humane it must be for Canadians to know their government will allow them the dignity of staying high because their government didn't want to intrude on minorities that preyed on their good nature to make them into sources of income via drug addiction, because that would be racist.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:55 PM
 
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How humane it must be for Canadians to know their government will allow them the dignity of staying high because their government didn't want to intrude on minorities that preyed on their good nature to make them into sources of income via drug addiction, because that would be racist.
Again -- your narrative is interesting - not necessarily the same conclusion I would draw from the article.

And you know what -- I don't live in BC.

If the residents of BC (not all Canadians live in BC you know) don't like the policy they can vote out the govt. that implemented the policy and have it repealed.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:59 PM
 
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Again -- your narrative is interesting - not necessarily the same conclusion I would draw from the article.

And you know what -- I don't live in BC.

If the residents of BC (not all Canadians live in BC you know) don't like the policy they can vote out the govt. that implemented the policy and have it repealed.
But surely they wouldn't appreciate the racist appendages of voting with their common sense.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Again -- your narrative is interesting - not necessarily the same conclusion I would draw from the article.

And you know what -- I don't live in BC.

If the residents of BC (not all Canadians live in BC you know) don't like the policy they can vote out the govt. that implemented the policy and have it repealed.
The link if from a conservative website, so the tone is going to be a bit off, and has tried to suggest that the current safe injections sites aren't working because of the current crisis, which is false. Yes overdoses have increased, but it would have been worse if not for those sites, plus those deaths also occur where no safe injection sites exist, and some deaths especially with fentanyl are instant, and those people never had a chance after they took the drug that was laced with it.

"The Daily Caller is a conservative American news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by political pundit Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel in 2010."

The distinction should be made, that this isn't about the current sites, but a new one in a facility in Alberta, not BC. The article is again trying to put the new site in a bad light by suggesting the current sites don't work.

Just for people understand that safe injections sites do work, here are their stats for the one in Vancouver. Note this part.

"More than 3.6 million clients have injected illicit drugs under supervision by nurses at Insite since 2003. There have been 48,798 clinical treatment visits and 6,440 overdose interventions without any deaths."


Insite user statistics

Some see drug issues as a health issue, not a moral one.
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Old 06-11-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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This lack of quality standards/ regulation is why we had lots of overdose deaths last year when heroin was laced with the elephant tranquilizer, Carfentanyl...

yep. it doesn't even have to be intentionally laced. carfentanil is so potent ( 10,000 times stronger than morphine, 100 times stronger than fentanyl ) that even trace amounts in the environment can cause an overdose.
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Old 06-11-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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This lack of quality standards/ regulation is why we had lots of overdose deaths last year when heroin was laced with the elephant tranquilizer, Carfentanyl... users had NO IDEA what they were using and it killed them.
It's called Darwinism
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