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View Poll Results: Should the Democrats make their Primary Democratic?
Yes: It is hypocritical to have such an undemocratic system while claiming to expand democracy 12 75.00%
No: We want Party leaders to create a less democratic system for picking candidates 4 25.00%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-11-2019, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So you don't care about democratic voting in the primary? All of this talk about expanding democracy in presidential elections is purely political posturing as the Democrats feel the electoral college favors the GOP at the moment. Otherwise Democrats would oppose getting rid of the electoral college?
Doesn't matter what I want. The political parties decide whatever method they choose to select their candidates and they're not gonna consult me about it. Partisan internal operations aren't covered by the constitution.

You have a big idea, so take it to the DNC.

Keep us updated.

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Old 06-11-2019, 12:59 PM
Status: "think locally, act yokelly." (set 20 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Doesn't matter what I want. The political parties decide whatever method they choose to select their candidates and they're not gonna consult me about it. Partisan internal operations aren't covered by the constitution.

You have a big idea, so take it to the DNC.

Keep us updated.

Ah, yes, the 'none of my business' deflection. Very useful when you have no counter-argument to the OP's point.

We have literally dozens of threads on the EC, with scores of posters calling to get rid of it (even though it's never going to happen). But suddenly when the same arguments apply to the Democratic primaries: 'none of my business.'
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Come on, trav...

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Ah, yes, the 'none of my business' deflection. Very useful when you have no counter-argument to the OP's point.

We have literally dozens of threads on the EC, with scores of posters calling to get rid of it (even though it's never going to happen). But suddenly when the same arguments apply to the Democratic primaries: 'none of my business.'
pull-EEZ!

No need for all your bitterness.

If you and mm like the idea so much, then have your precious GOP implement it.

Brilliant notions like that shouldn't go to waste.

Heck, maybe you'd be a Pub hero if you took it to the RNC.

Those boys NEED some help.

Meantime, America wants to get rid of the EC. Let the one who wins the vote take the White House.


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Old 06-11-2019, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't understand the question. It does not make sense.
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:50 PM
 
Location: USA
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We live in a Republic, not a Mob Rule Democracy. I don't care what the Democrats do.
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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I don't understand the question. It does not make sense.
Democrats have been campaigning on removing the Electoral College - "One man, one vote." That the Electoral College is unfair as it weights states differently favoring low population states like Wyoming...plus it is winner takes all in 48 of the 50 states plus Washington DC.

The Democrats have an even more unfair primary system that they could change today. Shouldn't they start with that if they are so sincere in the need to better democratize the system?
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:24 PM
 
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The electoral college favors the GOP, because the GOP gerrymandered it that way.

Hypocritical? Try cleaning up the GOP first.

try getting an education before making a stupid post like this. its reality check time here for you. the EC is based on the number of electors a state gets, and there is NO gerrymandering of the EC. if you want to talk about how the districts are changed to get more representation ov one party over the other in the house of representatives, then you might have a point there, but again another reality check for you, BOTH PARTIES do it. when democrats are in power in a state, they also change the districts to garner more representation in the house. elections have consequences.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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We live in a Republic, not a Mob Rule Democracy. I don't care what the Democrats do.
DING DING DING we have a winner!
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:39 PM
Status: "think locally, act yokelly." (set 20 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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pull-EEZ!

No need for all your bitterness.

If you and mm like the idea so much, then have your precious GOP implement it.

Brilliant notions like that shouldn't go to waste.

Heck, maybe you'd be a Pub hero if you took it to the RNC.

Those boys NEED some help.

Meantime, America wants to get rid of the EC. Let the one who wins the vote take the White House.


lol, you prove my point in spades. You can't come up with a comment or argument about Dem primary. But you can't resist making one about the EC.

OP (and me) are not looking for calls to action. If you want to make a call for action, YOU go for it and try to get it implemented.

We're just looking for some logic and a rational debate. Do you have any such thing?
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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lol, you prove my point in spades. You can't come up with a comment or argument about Dem primary. But you can't resist making one about the EC.

OP (and me) are not looking for calls to action. If you want to make a call for action, YOU go for it and try to get it implemented.

We're just looking for some logic and a rational debate. Do you have any such thing?
You and the OP are looking to slag on Dems, not debate.

Both parties used to select nominees at conventions with no voter input.

The primary system is relatively new, and both parties do their own thing with the primaries. If you and mm want them to change it, then tell them so. Just keep us updated on your progress, because I'm not gonna do it for you.

The EC is a poor relic of the 18th century and most Americans want it gone.

Those are the facts, trav.

Nothing to "debate."

Carry on.

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