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Old 06-12-2019, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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And yet, I simply don’t care about this.
Yet, you posted.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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All I'm suggesting is that it is Un~Constitutional for the State of New York to demand such intrusion.
I hear your point and it all boils down to whether we want to have more controls in our society or not.

Let me give you an example, car dealerships have people come in frequently and buy cars or test drive them for a day and essentially steal them using false identities. Same goes for other types of transactions, even including things like surgeries.

So, if we're going to have a society where your identification is frankly optional because it can all be fake then we're going to have to live with those issues.

Just posing some examples of the detriments of a swiss-cheese ID system.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:15 AM
 
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The federal government, specifically Homeland Security, is responsible for this requirement.

Oh, and A Republican Congress.
And we're up to two of you now....the makings of a support group.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
Politicians vote, not out of altruism or personal conviction, but because their large donors (mainly) and most vocal constituents demand it. After 9/11, W began the "War on Terror". Daily color coded warnings were issued, and a lot of wealthy people saw an oppportunity to monitize the fear. This began as a solely republican undertaking. The Patriot Act was just another offshoot.

That may be why when W was first told of the attacks, he reputedly claimed "I hit the trifecta!"

Read about it here:

How Bush Hit the 'Trifecta' on 9/11--and the Public Lost Big-Time

And here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror
Why did you change the subject after I showed you the vote was completely bi-partisan?
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by SeaMaj7 View Post
I have to renew my drivers license this year. Ok, I've done that a few times before. No big deal, right?

WRONG!

Now, you must provide your papers if you want to fly DOMESTCIALLY, as in, within the USA!

So, I'm responsible to provide the following PROOF of my existence to the State of NY; after all these years LIVING HERE, to hop a flight to Florida?

Well, I guess so...

"...You have completed DMV’s document guide.
You are eligible for REAL ID


Bring the following documents with you to a DMV office:

Federal or NY State W-2
Must show name and current NY State address.

My NY State License/ID with current NY State address
Must be current or not expired for more than 2 years.
An interim (paper MV-1) license will not be accepted.

Bank Statement
Must show name and current NY State address. Must be issued within 120 days of your DMV office visit. Electronic versions must be printed.

Pay Stub
Must show name and current NY State address. Must be issued within 120 days of your DMV office visit. Electronic versions must be printed.

U.S. Birth Certificate
Must be original or certified. Must be issued by a state or local government. Must show full middle name if applicable...."
____________________________

WHAT!?!?

That wreaks of Un~Constitutional BS! I'm not sure if similar measures are being implemented in other states, but they're here.

https://process.dmv.ny.gov/documentg.../checklist.cfm
Real ID is a federal program.
States have had many years to implement it.
Some states were early adopters, some waited until what is basically the last minute.

A couple of states tried to opt out and many got extensions, but the grace period ended in 2017.
New York State is considered in compliance.

More details here:

https://www.dhs.gov/archive/current-...es-territories

And here:

“DHS is committed to enforcing the REAL ID Act in accordance with the phased enforcement schedule and regulatory timeframes and is not inclined to grant additional extensions to any states that are not both committed to achieving full compliance and making substantial and documented progress in satisfying any unmet requirements. It has been 12 years since the REAL ID Act was passed and half of all the states have already met the REAL ID minimum standards. It is time that the remaining jurisdictions turn their commitments to secure identification into action.”

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Cruithne View Post
It's no big deal at all. Funny you should start this thread because I just went to renew my license and switch it to the new one at the DMV this morning. It's no big deal - just bring a few forms of ID eg Bank statement with your address, your social security card, your drivers license, your passport.
I didn't bring my birth certificate, your passport will suffice I think. There is a choice of valid things you can bring. The online guide takes you through it.

Easy peasy.

Make an appointment or turn up at 8am before the crowds. They take a new photo and do the easy eye test. You will be in and out.
3 months out for appointments here and there is no such thing as no crowds. It's like a rock concert and people line up hours before they open.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Austin
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to qualify for a texas DL I needed:

my NY state's drivers license
original or certified birth certificate
original social security card
original marriage license because my last name on former license didn't match social security card last name
proof of residence
fingerprints of both thumbs

I did not like giving my fingerprints. I had never been fingerprinted, but if I wanted to legally drive in texas providing fingerprints was the law.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by SeaMaj7 View Post
I have to renew my drivers license this year. Ok, I've done that a few times before. No big deal, right?

WRONG!

Now, you must provide your papers if you want to fly DOMESTCIALLY, as in, within the USA!

So, I'm responsible to provide the following PROOF of my existence to the State of NY; after all these years LIVING HERE, to hop a flight to Florida?

Well, I guess so...

"...You have completed DMV’s document guide.
You are eligible for REAL ID


Bring the following documents with you to a DMV office:

Federal or NY State W-2
Must show name and current NY State address.

My NY State License/ID with current NY State address
Must be current or not expired for more than 2 years.
An interim (paper MV-1) license will not be accepted.

Bank Statement
Must show name and current NY State address. Must be issued within 120 days of your DMV office visit. Electronic versions must be printed.

Pay Stub
Must show name and current NY State address. Must be issued within 120 days of your DMV office visit. Electronic versions must be printed.

U.S. Birth Certificate
Must be original or certified. Must be issued by a state or local government. Must show full middle name if applicable...."
____________________________

WHAT!?!?

That wreaks of Un~Constitutional BS! I'm not sure if similar measures are being implemented in other states, but they're here.

https://process.dmv.ny.gov/documentg.../checklist.cfm
If we use the same logic re the dems claim voter id is racist, then this reg is racist.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee View Post
to qualify for a texas DL I needed:

my NY state's drivers license
original or certified birth certificate
original social security card
original marriage license because my last name on former license didn't match social security card last name
proof of residence
fingerprints of both thumbs

I did not like giving my fingerprints. I had never been fingerprinted, but if I wanted to legally drive in texas providing fingerprints was the law.

I never had to give my finger prints for my DL, or to renew it.
That is a 4th amendment violation, beyond the scope of capability and knowledge, to drive a motor(electric motor) vehicle
(It is a car engine) Electrical is called motor, combustion is called an engine.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by SeaMaj7 View Post
Where was that? I'm forced to present the same birth certificate that I did in 1986.

I still have it, good for me; but what about the probable (math) amount of people that cannot produce the "proof" needed? An original birth certificate? Really? Just to renew a valid license so you could fly within your own country?

This has to be legally addressed.


Original or certified BC. Meaning you have to bring an official copy of some sort, not just a Xerox you made at your office.
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