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As a former business owner, I declined to continue working with a particular client. He was a complete headache, made unreasonable demands, and ultimately cost me a lot of time that could be better spent on more pleasant clients.
Let's talk about mom and pop bakeries instead of stuff like our cost of medical care, the hawkish attitude toward Iran bought and paid for by Saudi and Emerites Monarchs, the 400 (expensive) medical procedures today declared to "not work" and all the other important issues.......
I would think there is sufficient historic precedent for any American, regardless of any other qualifiers, to refuse to deal with a Nazi, and to forcibly eject one from the premises of your business.
If your moral and ethical codes will allow you to overlook someone who is a proponent of genocide, you either are or have become one of them.
Point being, you do think voluntary association is fine for a business, you just argue over which criteria they can use when choosing or denying associations.
It is perfectly fine (and per your own words, morally required) to voluntarily deny an association with a neo-nazi, but not perfectly fine to voluntarily deny an association based on religious belief.
Oh wait, now I get it. You think YOU get to define for others what their criteria for forming or denying voluntary associations are/should be. YOU think it's OK to deny association with a neo-nazi, but YOU think it is not OK to deny association with someone based on religious beliefs, and therefore, the rules of voluntary association should be what YOU say they are.
Is it tiring, being the self-appointed moral compass and arbiter of individual natural rights for an entire nation?
Although I am all in favor of same-sex marriage, I don't think that bakery should have been forced to bake a gay wedding cake. So to be consistent, I'd say no, a bakery shouldn't be forced to bake a pro-Christian or pro-Israel cake.
But ssexual orientation as a protected class was invoked to require the baking of a gay wedding cake. having set this precedent, religion also being a protected class would seem to dictate that the pro-Christian cake must also be provided. Pro-Israel or pro-Trump or any other kind of political position is not protected under anti-discrimination laws, so still no to those cases.
As a former business owner, I declined to continue working with a particular client. He was a complete headache, made unreasonable demands, and ultimately cost me a lot of time that could be better spent on more pleasant clients.
My business....my decision.
It is perfectly legal for you to deny service based on the factors you cited. But if you said you won't work with this client because he is black, or a Muslim or gay, you could be sued under anti-discrimination laws, because race, religion and sexual orientation are among so-called protected classes in the US.
So once again Masterpiece Cakes in in the news because they're being sued AGAIN by liberals. This time they're refusing to make a "gender transition cake". I mean wth is that, but anyway. THey already won in the Supreme Court against a gay couple who tried to force them to make a gay wedding cake.
Now its already clear these buisinesses are being targeted by radical far left groups who travel the country looking for lawsuits and certain conservative or Christian businesses to target.
So what if I were to go to a bakery I know is owned by a liberal Democrat and ask that they make me a cake for July 4th, and on this cake I want them to have "Trump 2020", #MAGA, and Psalm 33:12 "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord."
Or what if I were to go to an Arab Muslim owned bakery and ask for a cake with the Israeli flag on it and a quote from the Bible saying that God will bless those who bless Israel and will curse those who curse Israel?
Should I have the right to have these cakes made? Do liberals believe this athiest, liberal or Muslim should be allowed to refuse my request?
I actually kinda want to do Example #1 on July 4 this year it would be fun.
This hypothetical is silly.
The color of the money is green, people do what they do to make money.
I work in the printing business, and some of our customers are: the Republican National Committee and the party of Indiana, party of Florida, party of Texas and the Republican Jewish Coalition and the American Conservative Union ... we also print for Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union. We take all of it, we like the money.
Real craftspeople will do the work they are paid for.
Should a Palestinian baker be forced to bake a cake for pro-Israel groups.... or a Muslim baker be forced to print Muhammed's picture on a cake? If you think they care more about your money than their own beliefs.. you cannot be helped...
IF a baker would make and sell cake X to person A, they should also sell that cake to person B. IF the baker never makes cake X than they should not be required to make it for anyone.
This is the issue. The baker makes and offers wedding cakes, they should be required to sell them to anyone. The bakery may not make swastika cakes or boob cakes, but they do not make them for anyone they don't single out certain people to make them for but not for others.
Point being, you do think voluntary association is fine for a business, you just argue over which criteria they can use when choosing or denying associations.
It is perfectly fine (and per your own words, morally required) to voluntarily deny an association with a neo-nazi, but not perfectly fine to voluntarily deny an association based on religious belief.
Oh wait, now I get it. You think YOU get to define for others what their criteria for forming or denying voluntary associations are/should be. YOU think it's OK to deny association with a neo-nazi, but YOU think it is not OK to deny association with someone based on religious beliefs, and therefore, the rules of voluntary association should be what YOU say they are.
Is it tiring, being the self-appointed moral compass and arbiter of individual natural rights for an entire nation?
blasted that one right out of the sky
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