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Old 06-13-2019, 06:18 PM
Location: 20 years from now
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Yes, as Democrats they only call because they need money.

Old 06-13-2019, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by in_newengland View Post
But politics is linked to our identity, our ideas, what we believe. In a way it describes who we are. If we are hateful, if we are kind, if we are gullible, if we have decent values, so it does come first before family. If a person rabidly hates gay people, doesn't believe we should help the poor, approves of bullying and ridicule, well, that's a big part of who they are. How can they get along with a family member who is really touchy about politically correct words, thinks college should be free and everyone should get a free basic income, illegals should come before Americans...they're already miles apart. Their differences came first and they are who they are. They already can't be very friendly to each other, family or not. They would have to be extremely careful when they are together. Today's politics have made us stop and think about what we believe and probably have made us believe even more strongly and now we know who we are.

I don't know if I'm right but that's how it seems. We'd so focused on politics that it's shaping who we are. Then who we are is deciding whether or not we can even get along with our family. Somebody needs to come along and help us to find how much we are alike instead of always how much we are different.
I am not really sure our personality comes first and determines our political tribe. For example, if I talk about any political issue with my sister, we usually more or less agree. Yet she is an ultra extreme liberal/socialist/progressive and I am moderately conservative/libertarian.

I think people choose political labels based on certain things, even if they often disagree with that political group. My sister chose the label liberal mostly because of her concerns about the environment. So she goes along with all the other stuff, or pretends to.

I think maybe the same happens with other people. For example, a gay person might hate Christian conservatives because Christian conservatives consider them to be sinners. So the gay person might become a liberal just because they are gay, even though they might disagree with many typical liberal ideas.

In other words, what I am trying to say, you can squeeze yourself into a political category based on just one dimension of that category. If you squeezed into the liberal category for some reason, for example, you might feel you can't criticize illegal immigration, and you must be in favor of socialism.

So it's the labels that have set us against each other. Most of us have common sense opinions and most of us basically agree. We need to get rid of, or drastically modify, the labels.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:31 PM
Location: southern california
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Not many in California and Michigan but in Mississippi
You betcha
Old 06-13-2019, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
I recently lost a new friend because I said something positive about Trump. The ironic thing is that the positive was about his support for Israel - and the friend is Jewish. She was so angry with me that when she dropped me off after 10 pm, she sped off before she saw I got in the door.

Never heard from her again.
Interesting. I noticed recently that Trump made some positive comments about gays and trans. I saw a post on my facebook page raging against the fact that Trump made a liberal-sounding statement.

No matter what he does or says, they will find a way to hate it.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot1 View Post
It seems many Secular Progressive Jews are no longer pro Israel which I find not only strange, but dsturbing. Either that, or their blind hatred of Trump makes anything he does wrong.
They are not pro Israel anymore, because they perceive Israel as a religious state. Which it actually is. Their hatred of religion has won over their sympathy for other Jews.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rachel976 View Post
It's actually not a new phenomenon; it's just that it's been on steroids since Trump was elected. Secular Jews identify more strongly with liberalism than Judaism. The most far-left, anti-Israel progressive I know personally is a Jewish woman who works on Yom Kippur.
Yes, I was born into a secular Jewish family. I know how they think. They do not identify with religious Jews.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone View Post
I've found that people rarely live up(or down) to the negative stereotypes and caricatures that their political opponents assign to them. When someone hates the other person in the room because of their real or imagined politics they are not hating that person they are hating the propaganda they've heard about that person's presumed beliefs. Get past the rhetoric and you'll find that same person you've known and loved through your life is still standing there before you.
That is true.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow View Post
Something similar happened to me back in the early 2000s. I had some friends that were so against everything liberal - every last thing, and that's all they talked about. It was annoying as hell. I would tell them that not all liberals are bat spit crazy, and that some of their ideas weren't actually all that bad - just needed a bit of tweaking, and that not everything revolves around fricken politics, couldn't they just turn it off for even 5 minutes?

They couldn't.

We are no longer friends. Not because of their politics, I agreed with most of their politics, but because, as with your friend, it consumed their lives. I like to debate politics, I like to keep up on it, as do most of us who come to this forum - because a lot of other people on different parts of City Data will talk about how insane and "scary" this forum is, which illustrates that they aren't as passionate about politics as us lunatics, and that's okay - but anything that becomes an obsession is not healthy, including politics.

When people stop enjoying life and start raving about something political, no matter what the topic, it's time to step away from those people - not because of politics, but because they have serious mental issues.
They might not be mentally ill, but they do have a need for a rage target. Their hatred for the other party satisfies some kind of need they have.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Podo944 View Post
My brother in law's nephew and his husband have continued to disown him. They were supportive when he came out 30 years ago, and took him in for a little while when he was a teenager because his mom was a drunk. It's pretty sad.
So... anyone who's lost a friend or relative because you voted for Trump or admitted you're conservative... have you patched things up?

Even though I'm not a conservative, I believe there is a clear difference between Trump supporters and conservatives. Conservatives are the party of family values and the rule of law. Trump doesn't represent either one of those qualities. I respect conservatives. I do not respect Trump. Fortunately, I don't know anyone that supports Trump. A few people I've met did vote for him but vow not to support him next time around.
Old 06-13-2019, 06:53 PM
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I voted for Trump and unfortunately it looks like I’m going to have to vote for him again. I’m not a big fan but at the end of the day I vote policy alignment, not personality. Number one, nonnegotiable issue is illegal immigration. So while I’m not a fan, I’ve accepted that I will have to vote for Trump again.

My parents and sister are rabid Trump supporters. They adore the man and think he does no wrong. They have no facts, they’ll just say how much they like the guy and what he stands for- but cannot tell me what he stands for except for building a wall. I learned to stop beating my head against that brick wall. We avoid talking about politics even though we are going to vote for the same person. At the end of the day family is more important than politics.
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