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Old 06-12-2019, 04:34 PM
 
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Every war has been lit, by someone thinking for someone else, and they said NO.
It would be great if there never were any wars. But as long as you've got greedy power hungry statists/politicians, racism, and religious zealotry there's always gonna' be a war at some time or the other. Against someone or the other. It has been going on since the beginning of mankind and will continue until the sun becomes a red giant devouring earth and every living thing.

Some wars are justified, many are not. Can you imagine what the world would be like today had we not fought and won World War Two? Sooner or later this country may be fighting another civil war if we are ever to lose our Constitutional Republic and the principles this country was originally founded on.

Bit by bit and incrementally we are indeed losing our civil liberties, intentionally and by design. By not paying attention to politics and those of whom we elect, we are letting the government get away with it. The 2nd Amendment will be the first to go, followed by the 1st. Along with abolishing the 2nd Amendment the 4th will have to go as there would be no legal way to forcibly confiscate the millions of firearms that are lawfully owned.** Unless of course people would be willing to give up the concept of innocent until proven guilty and the need for probable cause. In order to secure a warrant there has to be probable cause.

But those who are in favor of that better be careful for what they wish for as they too may find themselves on the sh*t end of the stick just by accusation alone by anyone and for anything.

Once we lose our civil liberties we will never get them back.
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**Fourth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal ...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...urth_amendment
Amendment IV. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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You're combining two different claims lacking any logical connection:

(1) Crone thinks BB is on someone's troll payroll (not necessarily a Russian one), and
(2) Crone doesn't believe BB having a right to express his claim.

Note well: the truth or falsity of either claim is irrelevant

I still see no logical connection between the two claims. Still, I will say this:

Given C-D's typical moderation standards, it's difficult to see how anyone with even 500 total posts can believe real or alleged trolls have no right to post here, so long as they remains within the established posting rules. That means even if someone believes a troll (even actual ones) have a right to post on here, it does not follow that any speculation about whether or not that particular person is a troll equal "lost right to post on this particular board, given this boards customary moderation standards".



I called him out for going against his own favorite pet theory of how human societies operate best -- conforming to nature in the dog-eat-dog struggle sense, in effect, Social Darwinism. He supported US Senator Ted Cruz when he kowtowed to Trump after his inauguration - even after he grossly insulted Cruz's wife against Beto O'Rourke, who clearly took a chance by supporting "taking a knee" - a politically risky move in Texas state-wide races. If he were true to his Social Darwinism, he would have eschewed Cruz in favor of Beto, because Cruz was too weak to continue calling out Trump's egregious behaviors while Beto took a risk by openly supporting, at a campaign stop, "taking a knee".
When someone accuses someone else of being a troll it's insulting. They are indeed trying to shut them up. At least that's how I interpret it.

Regardless a lot of people are hypocrites but just don't realize it. So I do not find it surprising that someone with 500 or more posts will accuse another of doing exactly what they are doing. Sounds logical to me.
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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When someone accuses someone else of being a troll it's insulting. They are indeed trying to shut them up. At least that's how I interpret it.

Regardless a lot of people are hypocrites but just don't realize it. So I do not find it surprising that someone with 500 or more posts will accuse another of doing exactly what they are doing. Sounds logical to me.
That's what poc is all about.

I am omnipotent, all others, a pos. ;-}
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Old 06-12-2019, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Sometimes I think BB is a researching for the Russian troll farm. what topics will we fall for.
Only sometimes?
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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hes your standard republican voter.

i called him out for bailing on ron paul and voting for romney in 12 and he still pretends he didnt do it.

he pretends to be edgy, thats his niche he plays.
Regardless of what he is, he's got every right to post his opinions under the 1st Amendment. Just as you and anyone else does. If he thinks he's being edgy then so be it. That too is his right.

He also has the right to change his mind and vote for whomever he pleases. He doesn't have to answer to people of the likes of you. People still do have that right, you're not their keeper. Unless you actually followed him into the voting booth, how in the world do you know who he voted for? Regardless of what he may have told you or wrote?
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Politics has gotten to you? You ready to quit?
How is that possible, when thinking for other people is all you do?


Can you live & let live?


Why would anyone want to be FORCED, to think like someone else?







Have you ever understood, why war is waged? What is always the trigger.
Is this a haiku?
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:13 PM
Status: "I'm an Unmherkun puppy-kicking Socialist" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by Ex New Yorker View Post
When someone accuses someone else of being a troll it's insulting. They are indeed trying to shut them up. At least that's how I interpret it.

Regardless a lot of people are hypocrites but just don't realize it. So I do not find it surprising that someone with 500 or more posts will accuse another of doing exactly what they are doing. Sounds logical to me.
Do you even know the difference between an accusation of low credibility and saying a person has no right to speak about anything? No, then here it goes

1. Accusing a person of being a _______ (rightly or wrongly) is claiming that a person is either greatly mistaken or has ulterior motives.

2. Shutting people down is just that, trying to prevent a person from speaking.

One does not mean the other.

As for insults and hypocrisy, yeah, I agree. Accusations of being snowflakes, thin-skins and so forth when they themselves react with outrage and even borderline maniacal distaste toward anything outside traditional definitions of "normal, decent, all-American".

PS. as for your First Amendment claim -- the First Amendment does NOT apply to private property, only to the public space. Private property owners do have a right to regulate what goes on on their property regardless of what the Constitution says the government may or may not do to certain modes of expression. They also have a right to prevent acts that would hurt the profitability of their business (although if the private space is open to public commercial purposes, governments can forbid property owners from engaging in discriminatory practices based on the usual diversity characteristics we all know about).
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:27 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Politics has gotten to you? You ready to quit?
How is that possible, when thinking for other people is all you do?


Can you live & let live?


Why would anyone want to be FORCED, to think like someone else?







Have you ever understood, why war is waged? What is always the trigger.
I don't understand how you can have moments of clarity like this and then turn around a few minutes later touting the virtues of the social contract in some variation.
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Out West
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hes your standard republican voter.

i called him out for bailing on ron paul and voting for romney in 12 and he still pretends he didnt do it.

he pretends to be edgy, thats his niche he plays.
Wait a minute. You just joined in May of 2019. You have 14 posts. Not one of them was anything about calling BentBow out on "bailing on Ron Paul".

So...you got banned and created a new account? Pretty sure you're not allowed to do that after getting banned. OR, you created a second account...I know for a fact you aren't allowed to do that.
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:37 AM
 
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Sometimes I think BB is a researching for the Russian troll farm. what topics will we fall for.


I don't think so...but it is an amusing thought.
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