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Old 06-13-2019, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This is EASY to explain.

Conservos are compliant followers and will do as they're told.

Pub mouthpieces tell them that Iraq was a great victory and Trumplings will echo that lie.

Science proves it:

Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
Right-wing authoritarians want society and social interactions structured in ways that increase uniformity and minimize diversity. In order to achieve that, they tend to be in favour of social control, coercion, and the use of group authority to place constraints on the behaviours of people such as political dissidents and ethnic minorities.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...thoritarianism

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Old 06-13-2019, 07:07 AM
 
Location: USA
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Hindsight is 20/20, and the International, and U.S. Intelligence Community believed Iraq had WMD's, so did the Democrats here. They may have then moved them when the ALLIED COALITION signaled they would invade. I do think it has dragged on too long, and so has Afghanistan. The entire concept of nation building is wrong, and will never work in the middle east. Never.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Hindsight is 20/20, and the International, and U.S. Intelligence Community believed Iraq had WMD's, so did the Democrats here. They may have then moved them when the ALLIED COALITION signaled they would invade. I do think it has dragged on too long, and so has Afghanistan. The entire concept of nation building is wrong, and will never work in the middle east. Never.
But the question in the poll is about hindsight. They didn't ask whether the decision was at the time thought to be right.

And you should also note that many liberals did have the foresight that it was a big mistake. 47% of Democrats in the poll opposed the Iraq War.

What made those 47% Democrats and 11% of Republicans smarter than the rest? And why was the number so different between Democrats and Republicans? Could it be that Republican/conservative thinking tends to lead to gullibility?
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Bush and his cronies sold the idea of Iraq having WMD and on that lie justified going to war with Iraq the consequences being the destabilization of the entire middle east and the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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Money
Authoritarianism
Religion

Period.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:39 AM
 
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I have a question for conservatives here. I know you consider yourselves free thinkers, and believe that liberals are not. You see yourselves as objective viewers of fact, putting information above emotion. But I read this statistic today: 61% of Republicans believe starting the Iraq War was the right decision. That's compared to 27% of Democrats.

This is after finding out that the intelligence about WMD was wrong, after Trump campaigned against the Iraq War, and after GWB, Colin Powell, and John McCain have said that it was a mistake.

How is it that self identified Republicans are so utterly susceptible to propaganda that 17 years after "Freedom Fries" and "With us or against us" and "Mission Accomplished" almost 2/3 of you still believe the war was the right thing to do?

Why do "free thinkers" support a war just because politicians wave a flag and use the buzzword "freedom", and continue to support the war 15 years later?

Sources:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2apM5PvMCdVkTc



Perhaps you should ask Bill Clinton who signed the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act. Bush followed through and deposed Saddam. If there was a flaw in the intel, Bill Clinton never should have signed that Act into Law, precipitating the whole mess.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: USA
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But the question in the poll is about hindsight. They didn't ask whether the decision was at the time thought to be right.

And you should also note that many liberals did have the foresight that it was a big mistake. 47% of Democrats in the poll opposed the Iraq War.

What made those 47% Democrats and 11% of Republicans smarter than the rest? And why was the number so different between Democrats and Republicans? Could it be that Republican/conservative thinking tends to lead to gullibility?
I don't believe polls, and think they are irrelevant and will just say what the pollsters want them to say, therefore I purposely ignored the question.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Perhaps you should ask Bill Clinton who signed the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act. Bush followed through and deposed Saddam. If there was a flaw in the intel, Bill Clinton never should have signed that Act into Law, precipitating the whole mess.
Trumplings...

Still eager to blame Clinton for Dubya's Iraq invasion.

So delusional.

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Old 06-13-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Hindsight is 20/20, and the International, and U.S. Intelligence Community believed Iraq had WMD's, so did the Democrats here. They may have then moved them when the ALLIED COALITION signaled they would invade. I do think it has dragged on too long, and so has Afghanistan. The entire concept of nation building is wrong, and will never work in the middle east. Never.
Iraq did move them. To Syria. According to Clapper. That still leaves the Iraq Liberation Act. Bill Clinton signed it into Law in 1998. Bush followed through and deposed Saddam.

As for Clapper and the moved illicit weapons... Clapper told US intel that Iraq was hiding them in Syria, after Syria was tipped off by Dem Senator Rockefeller that: "it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq.

A stroll down memory lane...
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"The director [Clapper] of a top American spy agency said Tuesday that he believed that material from Iraq's illicit weapons program had been transported into Syria and perhaps other countries as part of an effort by the Iraqis to disperse and destroy evidence immediately before the recent war.
THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ - WEAPONS SEARCH - Iraqis Removed Arms Material, U.S. Intelligence Agency Director Says - NYTimes.com

Clapper said satellite imagery showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria, just before the American invasion in March, led him to believe that illicit weapons material ''unquestionably'' had been moved out of Iraq. Clapper was speaking in his then capacity as the Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
https://www.nga.mil/Pages/default.aspx

Obama subsequently promoted Clapper to Director of National Intelligence.

And exactly how would Iraq know to move its illicit weapons right before the invasion? Answer: The treasonous stunt Democrat Senator Rockefeller pulled that prompted Iraq to move the weapons:
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Rockefeller (D-WV): "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11."
Transcript: Senators Roberts, Rockefeller

(Oh, and by the way... Rockefeller voted FOR the Iraq War.)

Now look at how all this has played out since then.

How is any of what Rockefeller did not treason?
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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In hindsight. Not taking away that some good did come of it.. Saddam was removed. Of course.. He would be.. About 82 now, assuming he was still alive.


On the other hand, if he had passed while still in power, odds are his two sons would be in charge.. Who were pretty much even worse than him.


Him and his family being gone is the silver lining of all of it.


And, another lesson that nation building is not something we want to get involved in. Maybe that lesson sinks in this time.
Saddam was convicted of killing people in 1982 and 1988. Us showing up in 2003 was a little bit late for liberating anyone.
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