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Old 06-13-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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Except that the WMD were not moved to Syria, because there were never WMD in the first place.
Not according to the intel available at the time, including that supplied by Clapper. Why would Clapper (then Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, nga.mil) say the NGA saw Iraq moving its illicit weapons to Syria if there were no such illicit weapons? Your premise fails.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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And itís definitely not our job to defend democracy around the world. Our job is to set an example as a democracy, thereby promoting democracy.

Our job isnít to set up Democracy in other nations. They can do that for themselves. Or they canít...itís nothing to us regardless.

BTW...we werenít defending democracy in Iraq. They had no democracy to defend, and they werenít threatening democracy anywhere else.
I completely disagree, if those with means do nothing while others suffer, they are no better than the oppressors.

Iraq was not just a dictatorship, that alone can stand if the people are treated right(no different than a monarchy), the problem for me was that Sadam had exterminated entire villages.

He should have long ago been dealt with.
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Not according to the intel available at the time, including that supplied by Clapper. Why would Clapper (then Director of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, nga.mil) say the NGA saw Iraq moving its illicit weapons to Syria if there were no such illicit weapons? Your premise fails.
Not so. Scott Ritter was on CSPan as often as possible before the invasion. The weapons inspectors knew every weapon in Iraq down to the part numbers. They could account for every weapon and every part..

Then it was all over the news that UN inspector Scott Ritter had kiddy porn on his government computer. Then the invasion. Then the apology that he really didn't have porn.

Most Republicans in my circle knew BS when they heard it. DK anybody who supported the invasion of Iraq.

Think about it.

What would you do if the USA was invaded? How long would it take you and yours to forgive the invaders?
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Bill Clinton's 1998 Iraq Liberation Act. Liberating another country requires deposing it's current leader.

Tell us all about Clinton's invasion of Iraq.

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Old 06-13-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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Not so. Scott Ritter was on CSPan as often as possible before the invasion. The weapons inspectors knew every weapon in Iraq down to the part numbers. They could account for every weapon and every part..
Nope. Not according to Director Clapper (at the time) of the NGA. I posted the 2003 NY Times article referencing the weapons.

https://www.nga.mil/About/Pages/Default.aspx
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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Nope. Not according to Director Clapper (at the time) of the NGA. I posted the 2003 NY Times article referencing the weapons.

https://www.nga.mil/About/Pages/Default.aspx
Then we can blame the invasion on Clapper and his crew. Is that the plan?

I put it on Scooter Libby and his mouthpiece Judith Miller.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I have a question for conservatives here. I know you consider yourselves free thinkers, and believe that liberals are not. You see yourselves as objective viewers of fact, putting information above emotion. But I read this statistic today: 61% of Republicans believe starting the Iraq War was the right decision. That's compared to 27% of Democrats.
I have a question. Why do you think Republicans are conservative? Next time don't start a thread with a lie. You wont look as silly.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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Tell us all about Clinton's invasion of Iraq.
Military strikes. Repeated. Here's another:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc

And because that wasn't enough for Congress and Bill Clinton, the Iraq Liberation Act became federal law in 1998. Liberation requires deposing the current leader, which is usually done via military invasion.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:36 AM
 
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Then we can blame the invasion on Clapper and his crew. Is that the plan?
Well, first of all, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 passed by Congress and Bill Clinton played a role, then Clapper and crew at the NGA provided the intel, so...
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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In hindsight. Not taking away that some good did come of it.. Saddam was removed. Of course.. He would be.. About 82 now, assuming he was still alive.

On the other hand, if he had passed while still in power, odds are his two sons would be in charge.. Who were pretty much even worse than him.

Him and his family being gone is the silver lining of all of it.

And, another lesson that nation building is not something we want to get involved in. Maybe that lesson sinks in this time.
This had nothing to do with removing a dictator from a sovereign country. In addition they made up some fake news that Saddam was involved in 9/11, which is not true, but a majority of conservatives believed.

If it was about a dictator, they would have gone after Castro as Cuba is much closer to the US. And Cuba is so extremely dangerous that Americans are not even allowed to go to visit.
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