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Old 06-14-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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So do you think lying under oath about a BJ is worthy of losing the presidency. I assume you're not a Clinton fan, and I'm not either, he's a creep, but just taking this one situation about Monica. If your guy was in office and you liked his record and it was the same situation would you be all fired up to impeach and attempt to remove him from office. Is this lying about BJs under oath really really that worthy of a man basically getting fired and possibly put in jail.


Let's do an intellectually honesty check here???
Lying under oath is a crime. Yeah it is worthy of losing the presidency. Flynn reportedly lied to an investigator-when not under oath. About something that was LEGAL. And is in prison for it.

 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:08 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Did just everyone in congress in the time think being a bonafide rapist was cool?


You realize there was no rape accusation ever involved between him and Ms. Lewinsky, right? Right?


 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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Lying under oath is a crime. Yeah it is worthy of losing the presidency. Flynn reportedly lied to an investigator-when not under oath. About something that was LEGAL. And is in prison for it.
Even if it's your boy in office???
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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He wasn't. He was on trial for sexual harassment. He singled out a woman, had the state police bring her to his hotel room, pulled out his ****, and tried to make her perform oral sex on him. That is what the original trial was about. It appears that Democrats, male and female, have no issues with powerful men doing such things these days.

In that trial, he lied under oath about his affair with Monica. Lying under oath is perjury-a crime. The impeachment wasn't over a young girl pressured into giving him a BJ-it was over the perjury. The Clintons have a strong aversion to the truth.
No. He met a woman at a convention. He invited her to his hotel room. (Note, his home was a few blocks away. A fact that the woman was well aware of.) She accepted his invitation. When she entered his room, he exposed himself to her. She refused and left the room. Several months later she applied for a promotion at work, and didn't get it.

In his deposition to a grand jury, he denied having an affair with Monica Lewinsky. His defense against the perjury charge was to argue that oral sex wasn't sexual intercourse. That he defined things differently. An outrageous defense.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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He wasn't. He was on trial for sexual harassment.
You are 100% wrong. Go read up on history son.

There were two charges brought against Clinton. Lying & Obstruction.
  • William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury
  • ..has prevented, obstructed and impeded the administration of justice, and has to that end engaged personally, and through his subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or scheme designed to delay, impede, cover up and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a Federal civil rights action brought against him in a duly instituted judicial proceeding.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171216...2098.htm#full1


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And as I said earlier, this was nothing but a complete dog & pony show done for political reasons by the Republicans against a Democrat President. Just like the talk of the same now by Democrats against a Republican President.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You are 100% wrong. Go read up on history son.

There were two charges brought. Lying & Obstruction.
  • William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury
  • ..has prevented, obstructed and impeded the administration of justice, and has to that end engaged personally, and through his subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or scheme designed to delay, impede, cover up and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a Federal civil rights action brought against him in a duly instituted judicial proceeding.
https://web.archive.org/web/20171216...2098.htm#full1


Plus wasn't the actual investigation about Whitewater, not some sexual assault/harassment accusation?
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Plus wasn't the actual investigation about Whitewater, not some sexual assault/harassment accusation?
Correct. It got turned into a fishing expedition and wide ranging witch hunt.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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No. He met a woman at a convention. He invited her to his hotel room. (Note, his home was a few blocks away. A fact that the woman was well aware of.) She accepted his invitation. When she entered his room, he exposed himself to her. She refused and left the room. Several months later she applied for a promotion at work, and didn't get it.

In his deposition to a grand jury, he denied having an affair with Monica Lewinsky. His defense against the perjury charge was to argue that oral sex wasn't sexual intercourse. That he defined things differently. An outrageous defense.
Jones was given false pretenses to meet with Clinton, by the state police. She was a state employee and thought it was about work, and was reassured by the staties that he "does this all the time" to meet with employees and talk about their jobs. He did that for about two seconds, then he whipped it out and was on her, rubbing her leg and talking dirty. She was able to get to the door (guarded by a statie) and he told her she is a smart girl and not to say anything.

She came forward after one of the troopers told a story in an interview about Clinton having a relationship with an employee named Paula.

Sexual harassment is ugly, and it was ugly when Ms. Jones was used by the republicans and smeared terribly by the democrats. There were no feminists to support her.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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So in short: The Senate and media thinks rape is okay?
Clearly they do because accused rapist Donald Trump is in office. And since you appear to believe that accusations are proof, then that means Trump is every bit as guilty as you believe Clinton is.

But none of that has anything to do with Monica Lewinsky, who has always been quite clear that while inappropriate, her sexual contact with Bill Clinton was fully consensual on both sides.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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Clearly they do because accused rapist Donald Trump is in office. And since you appear to believe that accusations are proof, then that means Trump is every bit as guilty as you believe Clinton is.

But none of that has anything to do with Monica Lewinsky, who has always been quite clear that while inappropriate, her sexual contact with Bill Clinton was fully consensual on both sides.
And the impeachment wasn't about Monica Lewinsky either.

It was about Bill Clinton lying about it and being charged with obstruction. Both charges he should have never faced because the of the long running witch hunt brought against him due to political reasons. Don't you agree that such a thing is wrong?
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