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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009
It seems as though libs have regressed to a state self loathing, in that they routinely express anger and hate over themselves.
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You're assuming liberals ARE, in fact, self loathing. This is an assertion without proof. What qualifies you, who presumably doesn't spend a lot of time with liberals, to know what they think?
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Witness the new lib obsessions:
1. hating everything associated with being white- "white priveledge" and "white supremacy" are two of the favorite liberal sound bytes today.
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That's because the rise of the alt-right thanks to Trump IS a big concern. If you don't squash degradation of out-groups from the start, then they'll just keep growing and growing in influence.
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2. hating males and "toxic masculinity"
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You're linking two unrelated things, or at best only spuriously related. Males in general and "toxic masculinity". No liberal I know hates males in general. "Toxic masculinity" is when males are forced to meet traditional idealized images of what a male is or be castigated as subhuman (be strong, be thick-skinned, have high social dominance skills in general, be attractive to women [if not necessarily get laid a lot, extra points here], disdain anybody who doesn't meet traditional archetypes for their sex regardless of what their gender is). Thus is defined "toxic masculinity". Male pressure to be all those things is simply unjust and insults individuality. People are individuals, not sex and/or gender. What is it to you if a male doesn't measure up on the "manhood scale". Next.
Oops, I forgot. <takes my "man card", and burns it like 60s hippies burned draft cards>
NOW we can go on.
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3. hating Americans and American exceptionalism (they are Americans, whether they like it or not)
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Acknowledging and owning up to our shortcomings is hating ourselves? That's suspiciously like somebody acknowledging and owning up to their own personal shortcomings is self-hatred; the implication here is that a REAL self-respecting, strong backboned person NEVER admits their shortcomings, or at the very least trivialize their shortcomings ("Yeah, but it's not
that bad"). That attitude frankly confuses self-respect with narcissism - on both personal and national levels.
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4. hating capitalists (got news for you)
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Youch, you sure know how miss picking the winners, don't you: 0 for 4 here. I hope for your sake you never go to casinos a lot, or even do poker games at a friend's house. But anywho, here it goes...
Liberals
support the idea of private ownership of wealth-generating properties AND the right to keep all business income after taxes, interests, and debts for their own personal use. It's what generates the taxes that lets our nation be able to afford to spend money on things that benefit all people in some way.
We just don't like paying workers sub-living wages, unsafe work conditions due to owners being too cheap to pay extra for workers' safety, 8 year olds working in coal mines, unsafe designs in buildings (Triangle Shirt Waist Fire, 1911, f.ex.), unsafe children's toys and automobiles, bosses denying leave time to care for sick relatives, refusing to hire and/or firing people due to the diversity categories we all know, factories belching crap into the air and water and onto the ground, leaded gasoline, low fuel-efficiency vehicles when there's not need for them to use that much gasoline and thereby putting CO2 into the atmosphere...
should I go on?
So liberals are all fine and dandy with personal and corporate profits, as long as they don't come at the expense of essential employee or social well-being. But if you think Gilded Age America was the height of American greatness, then you go right ahead and think that while I choose to live in the 21st century.
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5. hating those who produce CO2
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I think you also forgot hating those who produce CFCs, SO2, and a whole bunch of other environmentally threatening stuff
. CO2 does cause global warming. Humans are very much responsible for global warming because we pump CO2 into the atmosphere.
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Lots of hate and self loathing going around. One cannot function as a normal human being and hate yourself, as it is all consuming and creates a mal-adjusted individual. Perhaps as conservatives, we should seek a program to buy a lib a puppy or a kitten to cheer them up and start to curb the self loathing.
How many times do we hear even lib politicians "apologize" for being white or a white male? What the heck is going on in their heads?
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Self-loathing people (even real, actual ones) deserve love, care, and a listening sympathetic ear. Not derision and castigation - especially if they don't do anything to hurt, harm, and degrade others. Anybody who thinks actually broken spirited people with destroyed self-respect deserves disdain or emotional abuse is simply not being a very bright person - they're simply not tuned into the deeper reality of how human nature (not the dog-eat-dog animalistic type) works. But back to the topic at hand.
"Hate", you seem to define, as "any problem that you see society has". In which case, I see a lot of conservative hate over removing Confederata and Native American mascots, to name two. And calls for change is not self loathing - quite the opposite in fact. It means we respect ourselves and our society so much that we work to correct long-standing errors. Still, I'm sure quite a number of liberals will love to have new puppies and kittens - though I'm not in the market for one myself.
You're confusing apologies for past actions with apologies for being part of the group committing the actions. We simply recognize that WASP America, like every other people in the world, has their faults. At least liberals are mature enough to accept we or our ancestors did bad things and work to heal the divisions caused by our shabby actions.
You haven't gotten one single thing right about what liberals are all about. Lets see if you can try again.