Xi Has Few Good Options After Trump’s Ultimatum on G-20 Meeting (suspect, rating)

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

He'll eventually let him "save face" but only after it has sunk in to Xi that it is not a sure thing. So next time Trump offers a compromise, Xi won't think he can just dismiss it and expect a better compromise later.

But why should they trust Trump's word in a "deal"?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by phma

Perhaps you haven't been listening to the tax hikes the left has planned !!!

I am looking at the tax hikes, and promises of more tax hikes, put in place not by Congress, but by you messiah all by himself.

[ELOrocks17]

Originally Posted by Clarallel

Yeah, that's one illustration of why Trump is a bad negotiator.

He's so focused on being a bully that it's hard for him to understand that part of being a good negotiator is letting others save face.

Ridiculous!

China has been raping us of trillions over the years in trade, and now that we have had enough, we need to make sure they save face? Really?

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by ELOrocks17

Ridiculous!

China has been raping us of trillions over the years in trade, and now that we have had enough, we need to make sure they save face? Really?

Interesting how plenty of other countries have a trade surplus with China and no trade war with China.

Do you seriously think you'd benefit if we get a trade surplus with China?

[antinimby]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

Interesting how plenty of other countries have a trade surplus with China and no trade war with China.

Do you seriously think you'd benefit if we get a trade surplus with China?

If plenty of other countries jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

The U.S. will benefit if we have a trade surplus with China but that's not even the goal here. The goal is to get China to trade fair.

[antinimby]

Originally Posted by ELOrocks17

Ridiculous!

China has been raping us of trillions over the years in trade, and now that we have had enough, we need to make sure they save face? Really?

The funny thing is that if Trump did allow China to save face, the very same Leftists here will be bashing him for being weak. With the Leftists here, they will bash him regardless of what he does. That's what they do here 24/7.

[moneill]

They deserve each other if the descriptions of their character are accurate.

Their egos seem to be their concern, not the fate of their citizens.

A deal is a compromise between all the parties in the deal.
It isn't suppose to end up with one of the parties 'losing'.
Trump doesn't know or understand that. And it sounds like this Xi guy isn't much better.

The new NAFTA should serve as history of what happens when Trump tries to bully nations. The USA still ends up with a deal that is good for the USA, the Canadians got a deal that was good for Canadians, and Mexico got a deal that they were happy with.

I suspect that is what is going to happen with China.

It doesn't serve either country to tear down the other country.

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

But why should they trust Trump's word in a "deal"?

Why should we trust theirs?

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I am looking at the tax hikes, and promises of more tax hikes, put in place not by Congress, but by you messiah all by himself.

So your concern is not about the size of the tax but the name of the person imposing it? Got it.

[moneill]

Originally Posted by antinimby

The funny thing is that if Trump did allow China to save face, the very same Leftists here will be bashing him for being weak. With the Leftists here, they will bash him regardless of what he does. That's what they do here 24/7.

It isn't about 'saving face'. It's about understanding that international trade policies are give and take, compromise. It isn't a zero sum game.

I was okay with what happened with the new NAFTA and didn't bash Trump for being weak. I just bashed him for the chaos prior to the agreement. It wasn't necessary.

None of us can pretend to know what China's approach is on this one.

If we did, we would have a job sitting at the table negotiating the deal.

We have no clue. I suspect Trump doesn't either. He knows his myopic, simplistic approach -- China bad......
USA USA USA.

I hope someone does understand the Chinese and know how to handle them and Trump to resolve the issue and be done with it.

Think about this -- Trump is not in a position right now to be in a state of 'unknown' with this trade negotiations. 2020 election is just under a year and a half away. This administration needs this resolved in some way to declare a victory soon. China knows that too.