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Old 06-16-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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If plenty of other countries jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

The U.S. will benefit if we have a trade surplus with China but that's not even the goal here. The goal is to get China to trade fair.
Germany seems to be doing just fine with its trade surplus with China.

Are you sure this is about fair trade? Trump has said it himself that the goal is to prevent China from surpassing America. Not fair trade.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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California mine will take minimum 15 years to reopen, if it can be reopened at all.

Just to illustrate a bit what total nonsense you are spouting, let's contrast this ignorant statement with the reality.


"In the event of a ban, one of the most important backstops would be America’s Mountain Pass mine. Although the mine was closed after Chinese rare earths drove down prices, the facility is intact and resumed production last January. Recent estimates suggest it’s already supplying one-tenth of the world’s rare earth ores (though not their processing), and in the event of an embargo, it would be possible to bring Mountain Pass back up to speed."


“By far the cheapest and fastest way to bring more material into the market — if there was a disruption — is just sitting there in California,” says Gholz. “It’s not like starting from scratch.”


Worstall agrees: “Producing rare earth concentrate is near trivially simple,” he says. “I, or any other competent person, could produce that from a standing start within six months in any volume required.”




Rare earth elements aren’t the secret weapon China thinks they are
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/1...de-war-tariffs
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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Do you seriously think I think democracy is an option at all? at what point did I even mention Democracy? Democracy will not come to china any time soon, if ever, and I don't honestly think it would be beneficial to China as it's not part of its culture.

The issue is the current CCP administration/cabinet/Politburo/whatever you prefer to call it, which has been consolidated to follow the word of one autocratic leader who is squandering the gains China has made over the last 20 years. From Deng Xiaoping to Hu Jintao, the Chinese leaders were all more focused on China's growth than their egos, but Xi is much more ego-driven and bas been willing to expedite China's rise at all costs so that he can claim victory as his. This is where a lot of China's problems are stemming from.
Yes, this has nothing to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with disobedience. Focusing on the leader is just a big distraction. No matter who would have been in charge in China, whether it was democracy or not, it will have to be disobedient because its so big and pose a challenge. European countries are small. They are obedient by design.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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It's not just a tariff war, if this continues.

We had seen China stop buying soybeans, that is not tariff, is it? These are all relatively mild, other things can happen too, to damage economy. Trump support base may revolt, but war is hard to stop. Whoever the next administration maybe, it will be hard to fix.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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And you would be the first one to bash him if he "give" just a little to Xi. Please. When he met with KJU and complimented him, you Leftists went crazy and slammed him for being too friendly with Kim and that wasn't even giving NK anything but some meaningless compliment.
That's not true. I didn't bash Trump for working a good deal with Mexico & Canada.
You just made that up to justify your opinion.

Doesn't make your opinion valid -- just means you make assumptions about others that aren't accurate.

And no the criticism of Trump with NK was not that he was too friendly, that's an over simplification of the concerns.

The concerns came when Trump touted a huge peace deal when there was none.
The concerns were that Trump seemed to be ignoring the horrific brutal dictatorship of Kim Jung Un...and even so much siding with the leader stating he most certainly mustn't have known about the famously noted American prisoner that was returned to the USA in a fatal physical condition.

The concerns were that Trump didn't seem to understand that Kim Jung Un does not play fair, wasn't playing fair, isn't playing fair and is playing Trump with 'nice letters' filled with compliments.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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That's not true. I didn't bash Trump for working a good deal with Mexico & Canada.
You just made that up to justify your opinion.

Doesn't make your opinion valid -- just means you make assumptions about others that aren't accurate.

And no the criticism of Trump with NK was not that he was too friendly, that's an over simplification of the concerns.

The concerns came when Trump touted a huge peace deal when there was none.
The concerns were that Trump seemed to be ignoring the horrific brutal dictatorship of Kim Jung Un...and even so much siding with the leader stating he most certainly mustn't have known about the famously noted American prisoner that was returned to the USA in a fatal physical condition.

The concerns were that Trump didn't seem to understand that Kim Jung Un does not play fair, wasn't playing fair, isn't playing fair and is playing Trump with 'nice letters' filled with compliments.

In other words, he gave KJU a chance to "save face" and feel like a part of the world community not an outcast?
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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It's not limited to tariffs; it's not just about "save face" either. "Face" has no place in national interests. Xi can do whatever to protect national interests, no one will say no, because he does not need orangey hair election for support base and being careless about national interests.
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Old 06-16-2019, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Do you seriously think the trade situation would be different if China was the most democratic country in the world? Be honest, you cant possibly believe that. For the elites who set foreign policy, what matters is not democracy, but obedience. If China doesnt cave they show they are disobedient to the American ruling class. Thats the problem.
If China was like India they wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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If plenty of other countries jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?

The U.S. will benefit if we have a trade surplus with China but that's not even the goal here. The goal is to get China to trade fair.
Exactly! Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

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The funny thing is that if Trump did allow China to save face, the very same Leftists here will be bashing him for being weak. With the Leftists here, they will bash him regardless of what he does. That's what they do here 24/7.
True. I am glad that Trump does whats best for America, not what is best for liberals
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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As many people already said, this whole trade war is not about fairness, but to contain China at all cost.
America cannot accept being No. 2.
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