About 2 Million People Rally in Hong Kong Weekend Protests (nationalist, deaths, borders)
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Are you kidding? The NYT has a good reputation, the Post on the other hand is toilet paper with text on it, like everything Murdoch touches. A paper with a long history of racism, distortion, lies, etc.
You got it the wrong way around: the newspaper needs to convince me that it is right, I don't need to refute anything, I won't even read it unless it is printed in a quality paper.
The Chinese have a rather different mentality. They are fine with their government as long as it provides a good standard of living, jobs, etc. And it does. Tiananmen was about poverty if I remember correctly.
Nor do I see a reason why democracy would be any better for China. Some of China's success is due to their not being democratic. They can just do things without asking the people, who usually have opposing views, anyway. Not having democracy means not having a split, radicalized populace that paralyzes everything.
We can see it in the West, societies are deeply split and consider politics a football match, that is not the case in China. I don't think more than 5% of the population are qualified to determine who is a good leader.
All you need to see is the messed up crap hole that’s India to realize that a country like China, with such a huge population and a history of turmoil and impoverished underdevelopment, would not benefit from the so called western style democracy.
India still cannot provide a decent out-house for 600 million of its people. They have to crap out in the fields. Hello....it’s the 21 century! China is light years ahead of India in every single developmental indices because it is a Chinese styled authoritarianism instead of the tacky western democracy that in India only results in total political disaster and political and economic incompetence for so long. India is a perfect example why the chinese generally support their authoritarian government
In view of the fact that the negotiations leading up to the handover in 1997 took about two decades, HK should already start to consider what effect its anti-Chinese attitude will have in those talks. In 28 years the 50-year one-country, two-system phase will end and talks on the next phase or even final status of HK will start just a few years from now.
In view of the fact that the negotiations leading up to the handover in 1997 took about two decades, HK should already start to consider what effect its anti-Chinese attitude will have in those talks. In 28 years the 50-year one-country, two-system phase will end and talks on the next phase or even final status of HK will start just a few years from now.
It will be interesting to see the Chinese Communist party try to maintain their choke-hold of control over that country for the entirety of that period of time. They are already under some real stress, with much more yet to come.
All you need to see is the messed up crap hole that’s India to realize that a country like China, with such a huge population and a history of turmoil and impoverished underdevelopment, would not benefit from the so called western style democracy.
India still cannot provide a decent out-house for 600 million of its people. They have to crap out in the fields. Hello....it’s the 21 century! China is light years ahead of India in every single developmental indices because it is a Chinese styled authoritarianism instead of the tacky western democracy that in India only results in total political disaster and political and economic incompetence for so long. India is a perfect example why the chinese generally support their authoritarian government
Yes, politically India is a mess with lots of corruption.
Yes, politically India is a mess with lots of corruption.
So is China. But since India is a democracy, it has much more transparency. If the Chinese press were to dare to try to report without approval about the corruption of the Chinese government, they would be jailed or executed.
So is China. But since India is a democracy, it has much more transparency. If the Chinese press were to dare to try to report without approval about the corruption of the Chinese government, they would be jailed or executed.
The Chinese president is very aware of corruption, there has been a regular crusade against it for years now.
In a funny way, the Chinese government cares a lot about the people, it wants them to be happy, albeit for egoistic reasons.
"Even in the '60s and '70s, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London attempted to introduce democracy and free elections only to be told by Beijing, including by Prime Minister Zhou Enlai, that under no circumstances would [China] tolerate a democratically elected Hong Kong because they saw that as the first step toward independence," she said.
Furthermore, she added, China "did not rule out the possibility that they would take Hong Kong back by force."
Chan's statement is based on a series of declassified documents showing that, as far back as the 1950s, Britain floated democratic reforms in Hong Kong only to be firmly rebuffed by the People's Republic.
Why didn't Beijing attempt to retake Hong Kong in any case? As Quartz' Gwynn Guilford explained in this 2014 article, Beijing had a vested interest in having a prosperous, capitalist territory on its doorstep when the Communist Party began introducing economic reforms.
"Several decades of phenomenal economic growth in mainland China was kickstarted by Hong Kong money, Hong Kong managerial know-how, Hong Kong financial expertise, and Hong Kong's well-regulated supervisory systems," Chan said.
By 1997, Hong Kong's legislature has been completely democratized. It was China which rolled back the system that made the legislature tilted towards certain interest groups like Business owned by Mainland Chinese.
I call Bull Crap. The mainland government didn’t do anything in this case. It was an extradition law drawn up by the chief executive of the HK government, and till now, China has not intervened or meddle in any of the mess, including the trashing of the legislative building by thugs and hooligans. If the situation gets out 0f hand, China has every right to intervene and reestablish order because..... HK BELONGS TO CHINA, NO ONE ELSE. so you china haters need to mind your own business.
The one country two system should be abolished anyway. Who cares what Britain think. It’s a weak and sick country.
Are those who vandalized the legislature thugs and hooligans?
Doesn't look like so. Why? Plain simple. There are precedents.
In 1919 (exactly 100 years ago from today), groups of students from Peking University also demonstrated in Beijing and over-reacted by setting fire to the house of then Vice Foreign Minister. Three students were arrested. Later they were released without indictment.
Now Chinese government propaganda glorified this violent act as the "May Fourth Movement" under the leadership of the Communist Party (which is complete baloney because CCP was not set up until 1921).
So were those students 100 years ago thugs and hooligans?
I abhor violence. But there can't be double standard. If the student demonstrators in Hong Kong are thugs and hooligans, then those students influenced by the Communist in Beijing in 1919 were also thugs and hooligans.
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