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Old 06-17-2019, 10:05 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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No we don’t. I haven’t a clue. Tell us.

BTW, I know a good way to get Republicans to support extremely tight gun restrictions if history really repeats itself. Get a group of blacks to openly carry rifles and guns on public streets.

That’s how Reagan got the Mulford Act passed with the support of the NRA.

Reagan wasn't the author of the Mulford act. It was 4 Democrats and two Republicans who did that but Reagan did support it and signed it. CA now has a slew of firearms laws restricting how firearms are carried/transported in public.


I used to attend shooting compeitions at CA venues but haven't now for years and never will again. A guy I competed with attended a match in Sac and was pulled over for speeding on his way home. As per CA law his firearms were in locked cases in the cab and his ammunition in locked cases in the trunk. Gus and ammunition cannot be transported in the same vehicle compartment.


However the was ONE round he had tossed into his console that he had taken out of his pocket when he left the match. The CHP saw the round and the locked weapons cases and arrested him, confiscated his guns (VERY expensive high end competition pieces) impounded his vehicle and hauled him in.


Long story short he went to court, was convicted, heavily fined (no jail time) and he never saw his guns again. Regardless of skin tone CA has been a bad place to be a firearms owner for a long time. Yes the Mulford act was a knee jerk response to actions by the Black Panthers but disarming Blacks was not it's end purpose which was to stomp on ALL CA citizens. Which it has done and then some with the passing of more and more laws infringing on the right to bear arms.


The Black Panther armed march on Sac was just an excuse to cram through a sweeping firearms restriction. Now second only to Hawaii CA has some of the most unconstitutional and oppressive gun laws in the US. It sure didn't stop at Mulford and Blacks being armed has nothing to do with it.


Black and Hispanic criminal gangs are actually the most heavily armed groups of people in CA in total disregard for any laws. All the laws on CAs books "regulating" firearms ownership and use only effect law abiding people. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian without discrimination. The Black Panthers May have presented an opportunity to start carving at gun rights but disarming Blacks exclusively was not the brass ring.

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Old 06-17-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Think of China and HK like the US and Puerto Rico. Except China has more control of HK than the US does with PR. Many in PR wants to be recognized as a state than commonwealth. HK is the opposite, it doesn't want to be a state, it wants sovereignty. Because it means no more freedom of speech and rights. However, the majority of people who oppose China rule are young people and less well to do folks. The rich folks already welcome their new oppressors or left the country.
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:55 AM
 
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The people of Hong Kong have clearly rejected the direct rule of the wannabee Chinese leftist overlords in Beijing. In typical leftist fashion, the Chinese communist leaders are nothing if not obsessive control freaks.

In response, the Chicoms are insisting this rejection is not legitimate, and is in fact the result of a conspiracy with a foreign enemy who is orchestrating this rejection from afar.

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Beijing tells Hong Kong protesters not to become U.S. ‘pawns’

Beijing’s liaison office in Hong Kong has called on residents not to be used as pawns by foreign forces amid the U.S.-China trade war, and said more than 60 statements issued by overseas powers had fueled tension over the controversial extradition bill.

“The liaison office officials recognized the Hong Kong government’s intention to pass the extradition bill to plug legal loopholes. But it’s a shame that … many foreign forces keep interfering and smearing the bill,” said Tam Yiu-chung, the city’s only representative to the NPC’s Standing Committee.

He and the other delegates met Wang Zhimin, director of the liaison office, and other duty chiefs for about an hour. Tam quoted officials as saying foreign powers had issued at least 67 statements to “interfere” with the fight over the bill, complicating the situation in Hong Kong.

“It’s a pity that some Hong Kong people and organizations have been used as pawns, especially in the U.S.-China trade war,” he said.
Sound familiar? Sure, it does.

The Democrats and their hand-picked candidate were rejected at the polls in 2016 in a democratically conducted election. The Democrats from that day to this - just like the Chinese government in Hong Kong is doing this week - have insisted that this was not a rejection and a rebuke of them personally, but rather that it is a contrived conspiracy orchestrated between easily manipulated populists (populist comes from the same root word as population, which is the people) and the evil foreigner (Russia in the case of the 2016 election, the USA in the case of the current Hong Kong protests).

Of course the conspiracy talk is nonsense, both there and here. And the people who have produced those accusations are truly some of the most egregious liars that the human race has ever produced.

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Old 06-17-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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Reagan wasn't the author of the Mulford act. It was 4 Democrats and two Republicans who did that but Reagan did support it and signed it. CA now has a slew of firearms laws restricting how firearms are carried/transported in public.


I used to attend shooting compeitions at CA venues but haven't now for years and never will again. A guy I competed with attended a match in Sac and was pulled over for speeding on his way home. As per CA law his firearms were in locked cases in the cab and his ammunition in locked cases in the trunk. Gus and ammunition cannot be transported in the same vehicle compartment.


However the was ONE round he had tossed into his console that he had taken out of his pocket when he left the match. The CHP saw the round and the locked weapons cases and arrested him, confiscated his guns (VERY expensive high end competition pieces) impounded his vehicle and hauled him in.


Long story short he went to court, was convicted, heavily fined (no jail time) and he never saw his guns again. Regardless of skin tone CA has been a bad place to be a firearms owner for a long time. Yes the Mulford act was a knee jerk response to actions by the Black Panthers but disarming Blacks was not it's end purpose which was to stomp on ALL CA citizens. Which it has done and then some with the passing of more and more laws infringing on the right to bear arms.


The Black Panther armed march on Sac was just an excuse to cram through a sweeping firearms restriction. Now second only to Hawaii CA has some of the most unconstitutional and oppressive gun laws in the US. It sure didn't stop at Mulford and Blacks being armed has nothing to do with it.


Black and Hispanic criminal gangs are actually the most heavily armed groups of people in CA in total disregard for any laws. All the laws on CAs books "regulating" firearms ownership and use only effect law abiding people. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian without discrimination. The Black Panthers May have presented an opportunity to start carving at gun rights but disarming Blacks exclusively was not the brass ring.
It was most definitely the brass ring. And why did it have NRA support?
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:46 PM
 
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This has been a rare defeat for President Xi. If anyone wants to know why President Trump is staying so quiet about this, it is because he is focused on negotiating a trade agreement with China right now. Once he gets past that, expect him to weigh in on this, but probably not before.

From the Japan Times:

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Hong Kong protests a rare defeat for powerful Chinese president, analysts say

BEIJING - China’s powerful President Xi Jinping has been dealt a rare setback with the suspension of unpopular legislation in Hong Kong following massive protests, but Beijing could bite back by tightening its grip on the semi-autonomous city, according to analysts. Xi is not used to such challenges, having consolidated his power and tightened his grip on civil society on the mainland since taking office in 2012.

But Hong Kongers defiantly demonstrated en masse in the past week against a bill that was seen as another sign of the Chinese Communist Party’s growing influence in the city, which should enjoy its own laws and certain liberties such as freedom of speech until 2047 under the terms of its handover from Britain to China in 1997.

“It’s a massive repudiation of the idea that Hong Kong will be effectively, over time, fully absorbed into mainland China,” said Bill Bishop, publisher of the Sinocism China Newsletter. “The party under Xi has become more worrisome and that’s certainly a rejection of not just Xi but the party overall,” Bishop said.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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It was most definitely the brass ring. And why did it have NRA support?

1967 was a different era man. The NRA was playing politics and initially I will (have to in light of the facts) concede that disarming Black activist groups and removing the fact that in the carrying of weapons as they were doing was perfectly legal and within their rights was the original intent.


However the law did not just effect these groups. It effected everyone regardless of skin tone and has over the time between then and now kept the door open for massive infringement of the 2A. You won't see me singing the praises of the NRA as their political motivations in supporting laws such as Mulford and quite a few others as well sold us all down the river and under the bus.


The NRA doesn't get any money from me any more. They have changed their stance since Mulford but they still are more concerned with money than with our Constitutional rights. I suppose it could be argued that the Black Panthers should have kept things a lot lower keyed than they did and kept the Constitutional issues and the current laws of the time out of the spotlight with the politicians. If you open the door for the politicians they will step through it.


The end result of Mulford has CA in the top two places of locations to not be a gun owner. I was the showcased intent of the law to stop Black activist groups (like the notoriously violence oriented Black Panthers) from carrying loaded weapons in public but it encompassed everyone. Now an individual is just about in violation of state law just leaving their home with a firearm loaded or not no matter what color they are or what group they may be affiliated with.


In examination of Mulford and how and why it was enacted public opinion supported it and the NRA sold us out. In 1967 Laws that the authors claimed were intended to rein in groups like the Black Panthers would have seen little opposition from White politicians and White ran organizations like the NRA. Things are vastly different now but it's like closing the gate after the horses have run out of the corral.


The politicians saw the big picture in disarming CA citizens. It did start with the Black Panthers and public fear of groups like the Black panthers was indeed used to cram things through. But it's way bigger than that now which was the true desired end result. Mulford would have passed with or without the NRA but the latter was indeed making a statement.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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In response, the Chicoms are insisting this rejection is not legitimate, and is in fact the result of a conspiracy with a foreign enemy who is orchestrating this rejection from afar.

Sound familiar? Sure, it does.
There is a reason the Chinese Communist Party habitually alleges any homegrown defiant movement as conspiracy with foreign enemy.

Because they usurped the throne in China via taking order from USSR. So they imagine everybody is following their footstep.

In Chinese history, no regime is ever as foreign as the current one. CCP members swear oath to a German idea (Marx's Communist Manifesto), sing a french song in tears ("Internationale" composed during the Paris Commune), and adopt a Russian design (hammer and sickle) on their party flag.

And now they accuse people of collaborating with foreign governments? Gimme a break.
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Old 06-17-2019, 03:20 PM
 
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I always see the Left protesting authority...and when they do, you ask them where they get the free time and why don't they have jobs? Right-wingers protest...but only on abortion or if it's organized by a astroturf group such as the Tea Party protests.

I don't see the Left calling the free press in this country "enemies of the people" like your Dear Leader Trump.
Loony Left likes to virtue signal. Conservatives 'protest' at the ballot box, the most effective protest of all.

The Loony Left doesn't call the 'free' press enemies of the people. Why would they protest their own side?
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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Huh? Who are the leftist totalitarian thugs & what is the "handling" that you're referring to?
Protesters are evil as we are taught.
With that many people, there is bound to be **** and trash all over the place.
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Old 06-17-2019, 05:25 PM
 
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Protesters are evil as we are taught.
With that many people, there is bound to be **** and trash all over the place.
Populism vs elitism. Take your pick.
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