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Old 06-17-2019, 10:34 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Trump loves his police.


Do you think he would approve of police being terrified of a camera the public has pointed at them?
Terrified enough to violated the peoples civil rights. Turner v. Driver


Do you as a Citizen, know what qualified immunity is?
Do you as a Citizen have qualified immunity?
How can qualified immunity be lost?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftc196gOarI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cs0OXNCSQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HboCL64GLY



This is why cops don't want a camera pointed at them recording their actions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yWsoFz98I





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq1rib5tKaU


Scour the web and the bad cops keep showing up. No wonder they are scared of a camera.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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IMO...cops have great fear of the guns that might be in the hands of those that they pull over or have contact with...a well founded fear.

Also, some cops seem to have a misplaced anger when people don't immediately follow their directions or orders....they get insulted and therefore respond in a vengeful way....

But their anger many times causes them to lose their professionalism....leading to cursing, inappropriate treatment of others and outright abuse....especially sad with minor crimes. Others seem to be just bullies in a uniform, with a gun....a dangerous combo.

In my area an officer was caught on body cam throwing a man to the ground and beating him in the head for not responding to his orders.

The man was reportedly jay walking at night....
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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most of the cop roaches either dont know the laws they are supposed to uphold, or dont care, so in order to try and control the situation, they make things up.


for instance the supreme court has ruled that it is legal to film the police while they are doing their duties in public, and yet far too many officers will tell you that it is illegal to do so, and even try to confiscate the camera/cell phone, and even arrest the camera person, or just threaten them with arrest.


and they will ask for ID, but not tell why they are asking, or they make up stuff like they are "investigating" or the person looks "suspicious" or any number of other things they can make up, like "you match the description of a person we are looking for" or "the car you are driving matches a description". but if you look at the laws of the various states, even the stop and ID states, there is a requirement that for an officer to properly demand to see your ID they MUST have a legal reason. and that must be something like you violated a traffic law, or they have a reasonable suspicsion that you have committed or about to commit or are committing a crime, and they MUST be able to tell you what crime they suspect you of committing.


same thing with a pat down vs going into your pockets. a pat own is allowed for officer safety, if they go into your pockets though, they are violating your fourth amendment rights as it is now an illegal search unless you stupidly gave up your rights and consented to the search. they must have probable cause, or a warrant to search you, they dont need it with a pat down.


too many cops these days go on a power trip when they get that piece of tin thinking they now have power over the people, when in reality they lose power over the people unless the people in question are committing a criminal act.
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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IMO...cops have great fear of the guns that might be in the hands of those that they pull over or have contact with...a well founded fear.

Also, some cops seem to have a misplaced anger when people don't immediately follow their directions or orders....they get insulted and therefore respond in a vengeful way....

But their anger many times causes them to lose their professionalism....leading to cursing, inappropriate treatment of others and outright abuse....especially sad with minor crimes. Others seem to be just bullies in a uniform, with a gun....a dangerous combo.

In my area an officer was caught on body cam throwing a man to the ground and beating him in the head for not responding to his orders.

The man was reportedly jay walking at night....

We have the Patriot Act to thank for police conduct. I cringed when Bush signed it and all my fears have come to pass. People skills are no longer a requirement for cops. Talking and defusing has been replaced by the Tazer, PR 24 and the sidearm. Sap gloves and spring batons are also now part of police interaction with the public for all situations no matter how minor.


Disagree and dissent with a cop and don't do exactly what they say immediately and these tools go into play. Cop authority is not to be questioned.
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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most of the cop roaches either dont know the laws they are supposed to uphold, or dont care, so in order to try and control the situation, they make things up.


for instance the supreme court has ruled that it is legal to film the police while they are doing their duties in public, and yet far too many officers will tell you that it is illegal to do so, and even try to confiscate the camera/cell phone, and even arrest the camera person, or just threaten them with arrest.
Turner v. Driver

and they will ask for ID, but not tell why they are asking, or they make up stuff like they are "investigating" or the person looks "suspicious" or any number of other things they can make up, like "you match the description of a person we are looking for" or "the car you are driving matches a description". but if you look at the laws of the various states, even the stop and ID states, there is a requirement that for an officer to properly demand to see your ID they MUST have a legal reason. and that must be something like you violated a traffic law, or they have a reasonable suspicsion that you have committed or about to commit or are committing a crime, and they MUST be able to tell you what crime they suspect you of committing.
Brown v. Texas

same thing with a pat down vs going into your pockets. a pat own is allowed for officer safety, if they go into your pockets though, they are violating your fourth amendment rights as it is now an illegal search unless you stupidly gave up your rights and consented to the search. they must have probable cause, or a warrant to search you, they dont need it with a pat down.
Terry v. Ohio

too many cops these days go on a power trip when they get that piece of tin thinking they now have power over the people, when in reality they lose power over the people unless the people in question are committing a criminal act.
Their ego explodes and they lose qualified immunity quickly, when they have a badge and a gun. The most soverign people in the USA - LEO's
Case law in red above in the quote
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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Exactly why we should be teaching our kids their individual rights relating to interacting with police, what they can and cannot do, when they must talk and when they should shut up, etc etc.


Most of the time, I hear other parents teaching their kids to OBEY police, no matter what they are asked (this is NOT the values our kids need in the world today.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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On another forum, a cop said if he was declined permission to search a car, he would make up a reason. Sounds like most of them.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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We have the Patriot Act to thank for police conduct. I cringed when Bush signed it and all my fears have come to pass. People skills are no longer a requirement for cops. Talking and defusing has been replaced by the Tazer, PR 24 and the sidearm. Sap gloves and spring batons are also now part of police interaction with the public for all situations no matter how minor.


Disagree and dissent with a cop and don't do exactly what they say immediately and these tools go into play. Cop authority is not to be questioned.
Well, at least some caught on cam like my post lose their jobs.....the police chief also quit or was forced to resign.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Exactly why we should be teaching our kids their individual rights relating to interacting with police, what they can and cannot do, when they must talk and when they should shut up, etc etc.


Most of the time, I hear other parents teaching their kids to OBEY police, no matter what they are asked (this is NOT the values our kids need in the world today.





They spend 1/2 a day in 3rd grade on the constitution, in public education.
What benefit would it for government, to keep free people ignorant of their rights?
We are not their property. They are our employee servants and work for us.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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Exactly why we should be teaching our kids their individual rights relating to interacting with police, what they can and cannot do, when they must talk and when they should shut up, etc etc.


Most of the time, I hear other parents teaching their kids to OBEY police, no matter what they are asked (this is NOT the values our kids need in the world today.
Most parents kinda like the idea of their kids surviving police interaction.

There's a whole lot to be said for teaching people to give their name and contact information, then say "I invoke my right to remain silent and I want a lawyer present" - once you're in the station. (Even then, better look properly middle-class.) But if a US police officer in the process of apprehending me looks me in the eye and says "You are now a chicken", I will cluck as politely as can be asked for.
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