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Old 06-17-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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you guys cant be serious if you think Obama's deal was anything but a joke. they didn't stop working on nukes for 5 minutes.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:28 PM
 
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you guys cant be serious if you think Obama's deal was anything but a joke. they didn't stop working on nukes for 5 minutes.
And you base that on - what, exactly?
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Out West
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If Iran follows through on this threat we will be back to square one, what exactly was to point of breaking the agreement. It wasn't perfect but certainly was a step in the right direction and now what are the options. We are attempting to make a deal with NK while we tore down the agreement with Iran.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/u...gtype=Homepage
Second verse, same as the first.

From 1995:

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/05/w...ials-fear.html

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Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away from having an atomic bomb, several senior American and Israeli officials say.

"The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates. "If the Iranians maintain this intensive effort to get everything they need, they could have all their components in two years. Then it will be just a matter of technology and research. If Iran is not interrupted in this program by some foreign power, it will have the device in more or less five years."
How long are people going to fall for this?
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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you guys cant be serious if you think Obama's deal was anything but a joke. they didn't stop working on nukes for 5 minutes.
Did Trump of Bolton tell you that? Because a large number of very smart and advanced countries and their diplomats, as well as ours, said that they were keeping the terms of the agreement.

In fact, those other "allies" are still in the agreement. But since we pulled out the whole deal is ruined and I would expect them to get some weapons right quick. It's what I would do if I were Iran now that I see Trump would lick their boots like NK if they showed the tech......

But it would be MUCH better to just follow through on the deal and open new markets for us and them and be good friends (with their people) and "trust but verify" with their leaders.

Alas, Trump could care less about human beings. Money.....is the deal.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Second verse, same as the first.

From 1995:

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/05/w...ials-fear.html



How long are people going to fall for this?
Did you notice that article was based on input from Israel, but here we are 25 years later. We had inspections and oversight for compliance, that all May be gone. Will you feel safer if the deal is gone, that is what Trump and Bolton want. They go back towards nuclear capability, good deal.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:57 PM
 
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If Iran follows through on this threat we will be back to square one, what exactly was to point of breaking the agreement. It wasn't perfect but certainly was a step in the right direction and now what are the options. We are attempting to make a deal with NK while we tore down the agreement with Iran.
It's one of Trump's biggest foreign policy blunders and I say that as someone who fully supports Israel and the embassy move that took place.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Boston
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It was made during the Obama presidency, duh.

Yep, nice foreign policy work there.
yep, all Obama did was let problems fester and leave for someone else to clean up..... worst President ever..
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's one of Trump's biggest foreign policy blunders and I say that as someone who fully supports Israel and the embassy move that took place.
I just do not see any positive outcome from this aggressive policy nor do I see support from the American people for any military action.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:27 AM
 
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If Iran follows through on this threat we will be back to square one, what exactly was to point of breaking the agreement. It wasn't perfect but certainly was a step in the right direction and now what are the options. We are attempting to make a deal with NK while we tore down the agreement with Iran.





https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/u...gtype=Homepage


The Iranian people are actually pretty decent folks. Prior to the Mullahs, they were very western and a secular state.


I know a few who fled the regime and they are as western as we are. Let's hope that the Mullahs are overthrown by their own people and that a conflict does not erupt in which innocent civilians, who don't even like their leaders, are killed.


Most of these oppressive regimes tend to fall under their own weight- its just a matter of time.
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Old 06-18-2019, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Iranian people are actually pretty decent folks. Prior to the Mullahs, they were very western and a secular state.


I know a few who fled the regime and they are as western as we are. Let's hope that the Mullahs are overthrown by their own people and that a conflict does not erupt in which innocent civilians, who don't even like their leaders, are killed.


Most of these oppressive regimes tend to fall under their own weight- its just a matter of time.
The Iranian people are one of the most educated ME country, they were making progress but now we are back to the same old policy.
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