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Old 06-17-2019, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
That is not true at all the women’s team pulls in more revenue than the men yet are paid around 1/3 less than the men, read the article. The soccer federation will lose if those numbers are correct. They have been one of the most successful teams in the world for decades brining in large amounts of revenue.
there's a single oblique claim to the women contributing financially in greater success than the men. One single reference. As many column inches were spent, if there were more smoke to that claim, there'd be more reporting. Here it is:

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The suit also claims that “during the period relevant to this case,” the women’s team earned more for U.S. Soccer than the men’s team did. It cites numbers from the 2016 fiscal year that indicate that the federation had expected a combined net loss for the national teams of $429,929, but that largely because of the women’s team’s successes it revised its projections to a $17.7 million profit.
By the way, reading an article and understanding what it says are very different things. The women don't earn 1/3 less - as you state - they earn about 1/3 OF what the men earn.

if the NYT and USWT had actual facts to stand upon for "we make more money than them for US Soccer, therefore we should be paid as well as them", clearly they would.

 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I can't figure out how women's soccer seems much more popular in the US, certainly through the youth level. But a professional league has never thrived.

But here's a novel idea - have the USWNT and USMNT play all around the country next year. Against each other. And which ever one wins, they get 2/3 of the money. The loser gets 1/3.
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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there's a single oblique claim to the women contributing financially in greater success than the men. One single reference. As many column inches were spent, if there were more smoke to that claim, there'd be more reporting. Here it is:



By the way, reading an article and understanding what it says are very different things. The women don't earn 1/3 less - as you state - they earn about 1/3 OF what the men earn.

if the NYT and USWT had actual facts to stand upon for "we make more money than them for US Soccer, therefore we should be paid as well as them", clearly they would.
Yes the women earn 1/3 less than the men earn, was I not clear?

So make the soccer federation case why a women’s team that produces more revenue than their male counterparts make less.

Here’s another article, how about yours.

https://thehill.com/homenews/448875-...ars-report?amp
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:25 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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It's like Womens Baskeball and Mens Basketball.

Sorry but Mens BB pulls in much bigger $$ thus they get paid bigger $$.

Equal pay for equal work does not apply here.
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Women are allowed on the men’s team. If they want to be paid more they should try out for the men’s team.
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's like Womens Baskeball and Mens Basketball.

Sorry but Mens BB pulls in much bigger $$ thus they get paid bigger $$.

Equal pay for equal work does not apply here.
We are comparing national soccer teams not basketball where of course men command higher salaries.
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:32 PM
 
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That’s a rather insulting comparison. Simple question, which team has brought in more revenue the last several years and who had more success, men or women. The men’s team never even qualified for the World Cup losing to Trinidad, it’s not even close.
If you ignore the money from TV rights, jerseys, etc...and focus only on tournament money and then pick a highly selective timeframe to perfect match the exact world cup that the men missed then the women edge out the men. But that is a dishonest argument as it purposefully ignores a massive revenue stream and is selective in the time frame.



How is it an insulting comparison? It is straight up Revenue in regards to FIFA's payout at the World Cup.



Some people say that the 2019 Women's World Cup will pay out $30 million to women players and the men's 2018 World Cup paid out $400 million to men players and that is sexist.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/socc...01lj0wtcqjej0c

Let's look closer.

$6.1 Billion in Revenue from the Men's World Cup. The male players kept $400 million or 6.5% of the revenue.

$0.073 Billion in Revenue from the Women's World Cup. The female players kept $30 million of 41.1% of revenue.


FIFA spends hundreds of millions of dollars every year to fund financially insolvent women's soccer leagues around the globe...do they get that money primarily from the women's world cup or the men's world cup?


If there is a pay gap, could I argue it is the men getting the short end of the FIFA pay gap?
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
If you ignore the money from TV, jerseys, etc...and focus only on tournament money and then pick a highly selective timeframe to perfect match the exact world cup that the men missed then the women edge out the men. But that is a dishonest argument as it purposefully ignores a massive revenue stream and is selective in the time frame.



How is it an insulting comparison? It is straight up Revenue in regards to FIFA's payout at the World Cup.



Some people say that the 2019 Women's World Cup will pay out $30 million to women players and the men's 2018 World Cup paid out $400 million to men players and that is sexist.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/socc...01lj0wtcqjej0c

Let's look closer.

$6.1 Billion in Revenue from the Men's World Cup. The male players kept $400 million or 6.5% of the revenue.

$0.073 Billion in Revenue from the Women's World Cup. The female players kept $30 million of 41.1% of revenue.


FIFA spends hundreds of millions of dollars every year to fund financially insolvent women's soccer leagues around the globe...do they get that money from the women's world cup or the men's world cup?


If there is a pay gap, could I argue it is the men getting the short end of the FIFA pay gap?
You are deflecting, this is a comparison of the women vs men’s soccer teams for the US, lets stay on topic and address the topic of this particular lawsuit. Revenue is revenue by the way and women have exceeded the men.
 
Old 06-17-2019, 09:44 PM
 
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You are deflecting, this is a comparison of the US women vs men’s soccer teams for the US, lets stay on topic and address the topic of this particular lawsuit.
You are lying - unintentionally?

#1 Actually read my post. You are citing partial revenue numbers (only from tournament appearances) to frame an argument that you can't make with total revenue.

#2 Women keep over 40% of FIFA Women's world cup revenue. Men keep less than 7% of Men's world cup revenue.

The pay gap favors women athletes.

FIFA funds women's soccer with hundreds of millions a year - and they can do this because of the men's world cup...


People are claiming that FIFA is biased against paying the women players...this is nonsense. You aren't making this argument, but it is a BS argument that is related to yours. The men make more because of TV $ and when they make the men's tournament they will make more money showing up and losing all 3 games than the women will make if they win it. Why? Because the men's tournament will draw in $6.1 Billion for FIFA and the women's will be lucky to hit $0.1 Billion.

That is just math.
 
Old 06-17-2019, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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You are deflecting, this is a comparison of the women vs men’s soccer teams for the US, lets stay on topic and address the topic of this particular lawsuit. Revenue is revenue by the way and women have exceeded the men.
Yes, and the revenue historically has been much higher for the men. Primarily we are talking World Cup years as particularly in the US it's the only time soccer exists. In past years based on revenue the women were overpaid substantially. It isn't really event revenue that matters. TV is what matters really. The numbers a better, pretty big, but still only about what tunes in for the men's games when the US and Mexico aren't playing and around 20 percent of the views that US men's team got last time they made it to the Cup even though they aren't any good.

Which is still the problem. About as many people tune in to watch a random men's game as a US women's game despite how dominant they are, and that's here in the US. That's the problem. There are a lot of teams, each of them generating the same viewership numbers as the US women's team does when it plays. And those numbers are shockingly high. In the rest of the world, which is where the revenue is made, they are a drop in the bucket. Less views means less advertising dollars means less licensing revenue FIFA can generate which means less revenue sharing which means lower salaries.

On the other hand, if equal pay for equal work is what they're after that's pretty simple. Go play for the men's team. The problem is they wouldn't make it. So really the emphasis should be on increasing the popularity of women's sports (which is really where most of the effort is).

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