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Old 06-18-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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They did have an agreement and were prevented from striking in 2016 by a judge and yes they signed an agreement, if you like playing its choice. They cant hold out for more money, cant strike but they can sue in court.
Whoa...they can't be forced to play.

They wanted to strike...and bar the US team from playing other new women...while voiding out their current contract for a better one. The judge ruled that they couldn't have that. They could choose not to play, but it would break their contract. Likewise the judge ruled that the players wanting to strike couldn't be punished by the team since they hadn't went on strike.

Nobody will put a gun to their head and force them to play. By striking they would then break their contracts (lose their pay checks and spot on the team) and hope the scabs don't perform similarly to them. It would be a gamble...would US Soccer lose a lot of revenue in the process and bend or would they simply lose their spot.

https://blogs.findlaw.com/courtside/...nt-strike.html

 
Old 06-18-2019, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I couldn't find anything on profit but the US women have generated slightly more revenue over the last three years than the men.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/features...e-counterparts
I could sell $10 million in goods for 10% less than cost and make $9 million in revenue. profit is the bottom line to a business owner, not revenue.
 
Old 06-18-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Whoa...they can't be forced to play.

They wanted to strike...and bar the US team from playing other new women...while voiding out their current contract for a better one. The judge ruled that they couldn't have that. They could choose not to play, but it would break their contract. Likewise the judge ruled that the players wanting to strike couldn't be punished by the team since they hadn't went on strike.

Nobody will put a gun to their head and force them to play. By striking they would then break their contracts (lose their pay checks and spot on the team) and hope the scabs don't perform similarly to them. It would be a gamble...would US Soccer lose a lot of revenue in the process and bend or would they simply lose their spot.

https://blogs.findlaw.com/courtside/...nt-strike.html
Sure they could strike but their contract has a no strike clause and they could be financially libel.
 
Old 06-18-2019, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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let's see the profit numbers.

does professional women's soccer earn the same as men's soccer for the owners? I have no idea.

equal pay for equal results. if women soccer athletes are generating the same profit for their work as male soccer athletes, they have every right to complain. if not, women soccer athletes have no basis to complain about their salary.
Yes they do if you read the article, if not for the women the US Soccer federation would have had a loss one year instead they earned several million dollars.


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It cites numbers from the 2016 fiscal year that indicate that the federation had expected a combined net loss for the national teams of $429,929, but that largely because of the womenís teamís successes it revised its projections to a $17.7 million profit.
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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I could sell $10 million in goods for 10% less than cost and make $9 million in revenue. profit is the bottom line to a business owner, not revenue.
True, but like I said I couldn't find any examples of profit for either team. But knowing that the women made more money from 2016-8 and were paid less and were given lower travel allowances than the men odds are they were more profitable too over the same period. I'm pretty sure both teams are managed by US Soccer so they probably have similar overhead costs.
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:11 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Blatant discrimination in the 21st century.

WNBA players should demand similar. The average NBA player salary is $6.3 million per year. The maximum salary for the women's league (WNBA) is $113,000 per year.

How is this possible 10 years after President Obama signed into law 'The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009?' It was the very first bill he signed after taking office.
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:16 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Sigh...this has already been addressed numerous times by who knows how many media sources.

The men's soccer pulls in far, far more revenue than the women's soccer, it is not even close, talking numbers like 4 billion versus 100 million. There are tons of articles online covering this and other aspects. If women want the same pay, they are going to have to pull in the same revenue, it is pretty simple.

This lawsuit will go no where, at that, anyone can file with the EEOC, it means nothing regarding the legitimacy of a complaint.
This
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:17 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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my little league team has a better record than the yankees...we deserve more money.

I should start sprinting, then i would deserve equal pay to usain bolt.
Ha ha ha ha! Good one
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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Yes they do if you read the article, if not for the women the US Soccer federation would have had a loss one year instead they earned several million dollars.
Bob and Sally both own hamburger stands.

Bobs makes 5,000. Sally's makes 500.

Together, they're expected to lose money but Sally turns out to make 700 instead so instead they make a profit. Hey looks like Sally made all the profit! That right there is the home of the whopper.

What is going on here is that you are being tricked by cherry picking. Cherry picking of time period, cherry picking of the types of revenues being counted just to name two.

Their lawyer is trying to generate public pressure and support by presenting a financial analysis which is a complete joke to a public that is largely too uneducated to know better. They hope to get the mob angry enough that US Soccer capitulates because they're not going to win a damages argument in front of people that know rudimentary accounting.

If you're confused by this still, get a female friend (so you can believe them) with a solid degree in something like accounting or analytics to explain to you where their lawyer is BS'ing you.''

P.S. The NY times writer is just repeating back what they were told by their lawyer. It was a lazy opinion propaganda piece designed to rile people up. A well written piece would have look at the argument from both sides, this was just a hit job.
 
Old 06-18-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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I'm a big supporter of women's sports. However, they just don't bring in the money like the guys do. Until they do, they aren't going to make as much.
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