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Old 06-18-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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He don't want to answer questions about punching his wife.
Dang - either you guys can't read or you are so rabid against all things Trump, you can't see straight.

As Trump’s defense pick withdraws, he addresses violent domestic incidents

In the months that he has served as President Trump’s acting secretary of defense, Patrick Shanahan has worked to keep domestic violence incidents within his family private. His wife was arrested after punching him in the face, and his son was arrested after a separate incident in which he hit his mother with a baseball bat. Public disclosure of the nearly decade-old episodes would re-traumatize his young adult children, Shanahan said.



Regarding the baseball bat incident...

In November 2011, Shanahan rushed to defend his then-17-year-old son, William Shanahan, in the days after the teenager brutally beat his mother. The attack had left Patrick Shanahan’s ex-wife unconscious in a pool of blood, her skull fractured and with internal injuries that required surgery, according to court and police records.

Two weeks later, Shanahan sent his ex-wife’s brother a memo arguing that his son had acted in self-defense.

“Use of a baseball bat in self-defense will likely be viewed as an imbalance of force,” Shanahan wrote. “However, Will’s mother harassed him for nearly three hours before the incident.”



He obviously did not want to have to relive all of that in trying to get this position.
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Old 06-18-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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Trump should just use the Temp Agency to hire cabinet members.
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Old 06-18-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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Can someone please teach the administration what "vetting" means?!
I agree. That is what this story should be about. This administration has no idea what they are doing and vetting is right up there at the top of the list of their deficiencies. It seems that Mr. Shanahan has some very sad and tragic years in his past due to domestic issues that unfortunately can strike families of all socio-economic and educational levels. In his case it has apparently affected each of his 3 children and himself and the spouse who is now estranged from all of them. The story the Washington Post very gently and sensitively wrote this morning reveals the facts of a man doing what he thought he should and all he could to protect his family members who were involved during the troubling period of time and all of it reads like a tragic family history.

That being said, he should never have been nominated. These types of "skeletons" cannot be in the Defense Secretary's closet. He was so incredibly vulnerable to blackmail, because he had not only his own baggage to keep secret, but his children's. This is on Donald Trump and his administration and WH staff.

1- If someone's personal life cannot endure public scrutiny, then they are a security risk and vulnerable to blackmail. This is one of the reasons background checks are done. Shanahan should NEVER have been confirmed to be deputy Secretary of Defense.

2- Another in a long list of examples of bad picks by the Trump administration. It isn't just that Trump picks bad people, but it is clear that the White House vetting process is inadequate. We know as much from the copious reporting regarding a White House staffed with inexperienced and incompetent people who don't know how to vet candidates.

3- Trump relies on his personal feelings and sense that cabinet members will be loyal, rather than professional qualifications and experience. This has been demonstrated over and over. It reinforces the manifest evidence that Trump is running the White House much like he ran his private business.

4- This administration does not understand the importance of security clearance checks. We got an excellent view of this from the testimony of Tricia Newbold, a long time employee of the White House Personnel Security Office. She was overruled 25 times in her decisions to deny security clearances, including the one for Jared Kushner. We are left to wonder how many people in the Trump administration are vulnerable to blackmail, especially from foreign powers.

My guess is quite a few.
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Old 06-18-2019, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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It's TwoFer Tuesday in DC today. The acting SECFEF says adios and so does the woman running the CPSC.

The revolving door on Trump's administration needs Tool Time Tim to rewire the motor to make it spin ever faster as his "we got the best people" abandon the sinking SS Craptacular in pairs. Leaving in pairs is like Noah's Ark -- in reverse, LEAVING in two by two fashion.
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Old 06-18-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It is not just how the people are not vetted or even qualified when appointed. The fact that most of the appointments are "acting" and not permanent means Trump can fire them any time he wants--and of course that is his style. Immediate gratification.

There are so many empty positions now that Trump, Bolton and Pompeo are running the military and defense department all alone. Trump has no idea what he is doing and is easily influenced, so that means Pompeo and Bolton, and of course Ingraham and Hannity--his 'advisors.'

That is what is so scary. Trump is basically Home Alone with the nuclear codes, and he's a knee-jerk reactionary.

How dumb does he have to be to now demand Iran honor the deal that he threw out? This is why experienced steady people need to be in there. But they aren't. They are going to slide into war in the Gulf because they have no plan, no strategy and no diplomacy. They cannot even find an ally who will agree.

The US will be in this alone, though Trump may try to force the sycophants in the UK who were promised a trade deal (and believe him) to go along though, I do not believe the people of the UK would be down with a new war in the Gulf.
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Old 06-18-2019, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Shanahan must not have been "one of the best people in the world."

Lots of his choices have been "not good enough."

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Old 06-19-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I agree. That is what this story should be about. This administration has no idea what they are doing and vetting is right up there at the top of the list of their deficiencies. It seems that Mr. Shanahan has some very sad and tragic years in his past due to domestic issues that unfortunately can strike families of all socio-economic and educational levels. In his case it has apparently affected each of his 3 children and himself and the spouse who is now estranged from all of them. The story the Washington Post very gently and sensitively wrote this morning reveals the facts of a man doing what he thought he should and all he could to protect his family members who were involved during the troubling period of time and all of it reads like a tragic family history.

That being said, he should never have been nominated. These types of "skeletons" cannot be in the Defense Secretary's closet. He was so incredibly vulnerable to blackmail, because he had not only his own baggage to keep secret, but his children's. This is on Donald Trump and his administration and WH staff.

1- If someone's personal life cannot endure public scrutiny, then they are a security risk and vulnerable to blackmail. This is one of the reasons background checks are done. Shanahan should NEVER have been confirmed to be deputy Secretary of Defense.

2- Another in a long list of examples of bad picks by the Trump administration. It isn't just that Trump picks bad people, but it is clear that the White House vetting process is inadequate. We know as much from the copious reporting regarding a White House staffed with inexperienced and incompetent people who don't know how to vet candidates.

3- Trump relies on his personal feelings and sense that cabinet members will be loyal, rather than professional qualifications and experience. This has been demonstrated over and over. It reinforces the manifest evidence that Trump is running the White House much like he ran his private business.

4- This administration does not understand the importance of security clearance checks. We got an excellent view of this from the testimony of Tricia Newbold, a long time employee of the White House Personnel Security Office. She was overruled 25 times in her decisions to deny security clearances, including the one for Jared Kushner. We are left to wonder how many people in the Trump administration are vulnerable to blackmail, especially from foreign powers.

My guess is quite a few.
Agreed.

There’s a serious lack of accountability in this administration.

“The senators tasked with vetting Acting Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan say they were unaware of the accusations of domestic violence in his family that led to his resignation Tuesday. The altercations never came up during Shanahan’s 2017 confirmation hearing for the position of Deputy Secretary of Defense, lawmakers told The Daily Beast, nor did it arise as he was preparing to assume the role of Pentagon chief permanently.
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The administration is supposed to turn over all relevant docs pertaining to a nominee’s background check. But that didn’t happen, according to a former Senate Armed Services Committee staffer.“


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...s-say?ref=home
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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So now, apparently, one is unqualified if a victim or someone else in the family is the perpetrator. Both things good to know.

As someone implied, reading comprehension is lacking.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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I withdraw my previous comment after further reading. Unfortunate situation.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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He don't want to answer questions about punching his wife.
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Looks like we're at the point where people would rather be thought of as domestic abusers than have to work in the Trump cabinet.

"Sure, I would have just loved to be SecDef with Bolton fomenting a war with Iran, but, ehm - but I'm a habitual domestic abuser. Yep, that's it. Sorry, but you can see how it's just not a good idea. No, my mind is made up."
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Bingo.
Good grief people, he was the VICTIM. Men can be victims, you know. His wife punched him in the face and at some later point his child attacked the wife. How lovely that we are sending a message to VICTIMS of domestic violence or people who try to continue working with a troubled child that they will have all that pain and shame drug out in the open if they have the audacity to attempt to engage in public service. Whoever broke this story, and whatever news outlets carried it, ought to be ashamed of themselves - along with you people.
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Can someone please teach the administration what "vetting" means?!
And what if they “vetted” him? Are we now saying VICTIMS of domestic violence are not worthy to serve the public, so they shouldn’t have nominated him?
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