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Old 06-19-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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True. Establishment Republicans have become more like the old Democrats. Democrats have become active Socialists. So we now have two choices. Full blown craziness, or lesser craziness.
The irony of complaining of “Democratis being crazy” while the alternative is the Emperor Caligula in the White House went over your head.

Let’s hope he doesn’t name a horse to his White House staff.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Liberals dumbed down their message to the point where only true dysfunctionals or isolated single issue estremists support them for personal reasons. You can't have a coherent message with a cobbled alliance of basket cases with little in common.
True, but you can have a fruitcake !!!
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: WY
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It went form being a "Let's hear other opinions" to a "Shout down everyone that disagrees with us" movement.

It is diverse in appearance, nationality, sex fluidnessictyish ...

Where it's not diverse? Intellectually. Everyone must think the same ... think the same ... the same ... the same ...
You always hear about the Silent Majority who voted for Trump in 16. Over the last couple of years I've also wondered if there is a Silent Majority of liberals as well.

Those who might be pro-life. Or believe that there are only two sexes. Or think that boys shouldn't compete against girls in athletics. Or those who don't like their wives and daughters using the same restrooms as males. Those who don't agree with violence on campus as a way to infringe on the free speech of conservative speakers. Those who maybe didn't vote for Trump but understand that he legally won the presidency. Those who understand the concept of expensive political witch hunts. Those who see their party racing to the left and embracing socialism and believe in a Democratic Republic. Those who understand the dangerous destructive force that is mass, unregulated illegal immigration. Those who look at increasing drug legality and wonder if that is the direction they want to see their particular states move (ask me how many displaced Coloradans I have met recently, who have relocated to my state). Those who are middle of the road or lean left-of-center but are afraid to discuss their midde-of-the-roadness at work, in social settings, on campus. Those who understand that looking at American history and viewing it through todays lens of political correctness - and then tearing down centuries old statues - is a mistake. Those who watch people screaming at the sky - or kneeling in chains on the sidewalk on campus and begging forgiveness for slavery - or holding a mock decapitated head of the president - or screaming at Trump employees in restaurants - or wearing pink wool hats named after female genitalia - or writing poems about Nasty Women - is just........................wrong. And very weird.

Are there liberals out there that understand that a few years ago a huge swatch of the country held hands and jumped off a cliff together? That they're riding the crazy train to crazy town? That hate and anger and crazy-making are eating them alive? I don't know if there are normal, clear headed, liberals out there. I just don't know anymore...................
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: USA
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The irony of complaining of “Democratis being crazy” while the alternative is the Emperor Caligula in the White House went over your head.

Let’s hope he doesn’t name a horse to his White House staff.
Yet the country is doing great under the Emperor. However, what has he done to be like an Emperor? Circumvent Congress, and the COURTS? How? What specifics? Or are you just another person suffering from TDS?

Emperor? Please.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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The liberals of 1960s (Hippies) had causes that were well defined and directly translated to policy:

* Anti Draft
* Anti Vietnam War
* Anti Segregation
* Pro Psychadelic Drug Use
* Achieve Goals Through Peace
* Pro Sex

They actually resemble Ron Paul libetarians more than anything else.

Modern-day "liberals" are a different breed. I don't think they can even be said to have derived from Hippie movement. The Millenial SJW thing is a new movement entirely.

I think during the 1960s you could have a difference of opinion with a Hippie and they would agree to disagree or invite you to have a polite, well-reasoned debate. The same can obviously not be said about modern liberals.

Here is how I see the modern liberal movement:

* Vague, meaningless causes, stick the word "Rights" or "Justice" at the end of anything ("Trans Rights", "Housing Rights", "Educational Justice", etc.)
* Use intimidation and force to silence dissenting opinions
* Orwellian Double-Speak (ex. use the term "Minorities" to refer to 90% of the population)
* Anti-Science, generally anti- anything that is Western such as Medicine, Physics, Propositional Logic
* Anti-Sex (Millenials are getting laid less than previous generations)

Basically a joke.


The 60s hippie movement was a generational "tantrum" among those raised by the world war 2 generation as a reaction to the order and regimen of the social stability of the 1950s. Essentially a regression to childhood, in which responsibility and rules were discarded in favor of acting and reacting to any situation by seeking maximal, immediate personal gratification.


The hippie movement, which was a selfish, hedonistic pursuit of self gratification had consequences. The devastating expansion of recreational drugs, the decline of the family, and the abandonment of moral guidance through religion were casualties of that movement.


The blind pursuit of self satisfaction has not led to happiness, but despair and anger, thus the modern left. A party can only go on for so long before one is faced with the "hangover" and consequences of seeking an existence without personal responsibility. This is why liberals are so angry- they are depressed and lack discipline in their life, thus they thrash around aimlessly in a futile effort to find "happiness". Unfortunately, this state is not found at the bottom of a bottle or a syringe, and transient, multiple personal relationships lead to despair and disillusionment.


Liberalism is a failed retreat to childhood which has led to anger and despair among its practitioners. Thus the angry, violent lib is the norm- a being angry at their existence and inability to find peace.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: USA
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The 60s hippie movement was a generational "tantrum" among those raised by the world war 2 generation as a reaction to the order and regimen of the social stability of the 1950s. Essentially a regression to childhood, in which responsibility and rules were discarded in favor of acting and reacting to any situation by seeking maximal, immediate personal gratification.


The hippie movement, which was a selfish, hedonistic pursuit of self gratification had consequences. The devastating expansion of recreational drugs, the decline of the family, and the abandonment of moral guidance through religion were casualties of that movement.


The blind pursuit of self satisfaction has not led to happiness, but despair and anger, thus the modern left. A party can only go on for so long before one is faced with the "hangover" and consequences of seeking an existence without personal responsibility. This is why liberals are so angry- they are depressed and lack discipline in their life, thus they thrash around aimlessly in a futile effort to find "happiness". Unfortunately, this state is not found at the bottom of a bottle or a syringe, and transient, multiple personal relationships lead to despair and disillusionment.


Liberalism is a failed retreat to childhood which has led to anger and despair among its practitioners. Thus the angry, violent lib is the norm- a being angry at their existence and inability to find peace.
^^^^^^This. All of it. Spot on!

We are seeing the results of the child like Rainbow, and Unicorn, failed UTOPIA mentality.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Conservatives used to be against the debt.
Conservatives used to be against interventionist wars.

Should I continue and what would be the point?
Let me mention a couple more:


Conservatives used to believe in free trade and free markets.


Conservatives used to support our traditional allies (NATO, Western Europe, etc.).


Conservatives used to oppose dictators like Vladimir Putin.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: SGV
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"Respectable political movement"?



Pardon me my good man, but could I trouble you for your wallet?"

*In his best English accent*
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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People have been using "liberal" as a pejorative for a while now and they don't even really understand the textbook definition of classical liberalism.

They should really be saying far leftist or progressive leftist or something similar. It's always annoyed me they way the term liberal is used now and it's not really accurate.

Wikipedia does a pretty decent job in the first couple paragraphs of define "classical Liberalism" yeah, I know, Wikipedia isn't always accurate, just saying a brief introductory two paragraph or so overview it's fine.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Close to Pittsburgh, but NOT Pittsburgh ('cause I don't pay CoP taxes)
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The 60s hippie movement was a generational "tantrum" among those raised by the world war 2 generation as a reaction to the order and regimen of the social stability of the 1950s. Essentially a regression to childhood, in which responsibility and rules were discarded in favor of acting and reacting to any situation by seeking maximal, immediate personal gratification.


The hippie movement, which was a selfish, hedonistic pursuit of self gratification had consequences. The devastating expansion of recreational drugs, the decline of the family, and the abandonment of moral guidance through religion were casualties of that movement.


The blind pursuit of self satisfaction has not led to happiness, but despair and anger, thus the modern left. A party can only go on for so long before one is faced with the "hangover" and consequences of seeking an existence without personal responsibility. This is why liberals are so angry- they are depressed and lack discipline in their life, thus they thrash around aimlessly in a futile effort to find "happiness". Unfortunately, this state is not found at the bottom of a bottle or a syringe, and transient, multiple personal relationships lead to despair and disillusionment.


Liberalism is a failed retreat to childhood which has led to anger and despair among its practitioners. Thus the angry, violent lib is the norm- a being angry at their existence and inability to find peace.
You do understand who the vast majority of those people are in June of 2019, right?

Right?
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