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Old 06-18-2019, 10:57 PM
 
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The liberals of 1960s (Hippies) had causes that were well defined and directly translated to policy:

* Anti Draft
* Anti Vietnam War
* Anti Segregation
* Pro Psychadelic Drug Use
* Achieve Goals Through Peace
* Pro Sex

They actually resemble Ron Paul libetarians more than anything else.

Modern-day "liberals" are a different breed. I don't think they can even be said to have derived from Hippie movement. The Millenial SJW thing is a new movement entirely.

I think during the 1960s you could have a difference of opinion with a Hippie and they would agree to disagree or invite you to have a polite, well-reasoned debate. The same can obviously not be said about modern liberals.

Here is how I see the modern liberal movement:

* Vague, meaningless causes, stick the word "Rights" or "Justice" at the end of anything ("Trans Rights", "Housing Rights", "Educational Justice", etc.)
* Use intimidation and force to silence dissenting opinions
* Orwellian Double-Speak (ex. use the term "Minorities" to refer to 90% of the population)
* Anti-Science, generally anti- anything that is Western such as Medicine, Physics, Propositional Logic
* Anti-Sex (Millenials are getting laid less than previous generations)

Basically a joke.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by wallbuilder View Post
The liberals of 1960s (Hippies) had causes that were well defined and directly translated to policy:

* Anti Draft
* Anti Vietnam War
* Anti Segregation
* Pro Psychadelic Drug Use
* Achieve Goals Through Peace
* Pro Sex

They actually resemble Ron Paul libetarians more than anything else.

Modern-day "liberals" are a different breed. I don't think they can even be said to have derived from Hippie movement. The Millenial SJW thing is a new movement entirely.

I think during the 1960s you could have a difference of opinion with a Hippie and they would agree to disagree or invite you to have a polite, well-reasoned debate. The same can obviously not be said about modern liberals.

Here is how I see the modern liberal movement:

* Vague, meaningless causes, stick the word "Rights" or "Justice" at the end of anything ("Trans Rights", "Housing Rights", "Educational Justice", etc.)
* Use intimidation and force to silence dissenting opinions
* Orwellian Double-Speak (ex. use the term "Minorities" to refer to 90% of the population)
* Anti-Science, generally anti- anything that is Western such as Medicine, Physics, Propositional Logic
* Anti-Sex (Millenials are getting laid less than previous generations)

Basically a joke.
Calling the Libs of today "anti-Science" is hilarious.
Your thread is "the Joke" !

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Old 06-18-2019, 11:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by wallbuilder View Post
The liberals of 1960s (Hippies) had causes that were well defined and directly translated to policy:

* Anti Draft
* Anti Vietnam War
* Anti Segregation
* Pro Psychadelic Drug Use
* Achieve Goals Through Peace
* Pro Sex

They actually resemble Ron Paul libetarians more than anything else.

Modern-day "liberals" are a different breed. I don't think they can even be said to have derived from Hippie movement. The Millenial SJW thing is a new movement entirely.

I think during the 1960s you could have a difference of opinion with a Hippie and they would agree to disagree or invite you to have a polite, well-reasoned debate. The same can obviously not be said about modern liberals.

Here is how I see the modern liberal movement:

* Vague, meaningless causes, stick the word "Rights" or "Justice" at the end of anything ("Trans Rights", "Housing Rights", "Educational Justice", etc.)
* Use intimidation and force to silence dissenting opinions
* Orwellian Double-Speak (ex. use the term "Minorities" to refer to 90% of the population)
* Anti-Science, generally anti- anything that is Western such as Medicine, Physics, Propositional Logic
* Anti-Sex (Millenials are getting laid less than previous generations)

Basically a joke.
Suggestion:
Talk to some liberals in person and donít just go off how your news provider of choice portrays them.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:26 PM
 
Location: CA
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Now it's just a mental disorder.
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Old 06-18-2019, 11:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by wallbuilder View Post
The liberals of 1960s (Hippies) had causes that were well defined and directly translated to policy:

* Anti Draft
* Anti Vietnam War
* Anti Segregation
* Pro Psychadelic Drug Use
* Achieve Goals Through Peace
* Pro Sex

They actually resemble Ron Paul libetarians more than anything else.

Modern-day "liberals" are a different breed. I don't think they can even be said to have derived from Hippie movement. The Millenial SJW thing is a new movement entirely.

I think during the 1960s you could have a difference of opinion with a Hippie and they would agree to disagree or invite you to have a polite, well-reasoned debate. The same can obviously not be said about modern liberals.

Here is how I see the modern liberal movement:

* Vague, meaningless causes, stick the word "Rights" or "Justice" at the end of anything ("Trans Rights", "Housing Rights", "Educational Justice", etc.)
* Use intimidation and force to silence dissenting opinions
* Orwellian Double-Speak (ex. use the term "Minorities" to refer to 90% of the population)
* Anti-Science, generally anti- anything that is Western such as Medicine, Physics, Propositional Logic
* Anti-Sex (Millenials are getting laid less than previous generations)

Basically a joke.
Anti-sex? You mean a "eunuch"?
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Old 06-19-2019, 02:45 AM
 
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I think you're just viewing the past through rose-colored glasses, and you're also somewhat obsessed with sex/drugs. And frankly, I wonder how old you really are given your simplistic view of the 1960s.

Anti-Draft and Anti-Vietnam War = It's not because people were necessarily against war or interventionism (that was proven when the same generation of people elected neocons such as Bush and Reagan *twice*), but because (like today) they were self-absorbed pricks who were okay with other people and their kids going to fight in combat but not themselves.

*Anti-Segregation - People back then did virtue signal quite a bit when it came to racial equality. However, even despite this, they were still quite regressive when it came to women's rights (even prominent Democratic leaders today such as Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden), being a homosexual was still practically considered a mental disorder/crime and in general they didn't practice what they preached when it came to racial integration ("they can get uppity, but they can't get close") as cities across the country became more segregated than ever during that time (see White Flight).

*Pro-Psychadelic Drug Use - I'm not even sure what this means. It wasn't illegal to use Psychedelic drugs at the time, and frankly for a long time the general populace was indifferent about it (granted, you had your anti-drug activists, but they were considered extremists). The main reason it became illegal is because the government was trying to put an end to the counterculture movement at the time, which they thought psychedelic drugs were at the root of (wasn't true). That being said, if you noticed, there's been very little uprising over Psychedelic drugs being prohibited (unlike the reaction to Alcohol prohibition in the 1920s). This is because they really are very powerful drugs and while I agree they should be legal, their distribution should be heavily regulated. The issue is what's the best way to heavily regulate them, and also the fact that there's limited scientific research related to the benefits of using then. The subject is a lot more nuanced than you and Psychedelic drug users are making it out to be.

*Achieve Goals Through Peace - The Soviet Union and its rapid expansion of Authoritarian Communism along with its active arms building race put us much closer to nuclear annihilation during this era than at any point today (anyone who was a child back then can probably tell you about the Nuclear take cover drills they experienced). On a domestic front, major cities all across the country faced devastating race riots (Detroit never recovered from its riot in 1967) that required the unprecedented deployment of national guardsmen to help end them.

*Pro Sex - Again, I'm not sure what this statement means. Even if it is true that millennials are having less intercourse than before, why is that a bad thing? Given the unprecedented levels of debt they've incurred from college expenses, it would be awfully irresponsible to go around making love willy nilly and bringing unwanted children into the world they can't support. Furthermore, thanks to improved education in school about sex and more in-depth modern research about the effects, I'm also willing to bet that diseases are being sexually transmitted at a much lower rate today than they were back then, which actually boosts their average life expectancy. (at least nominally).

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Old 06-19-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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It went form being a "Let's hear other opinions" to a "Shout down everyone that disagrees with us" movement.

It is diverse in appearance, nationality, sex fluidnessictyish ...

Where it's not diverse? Intellectually. Everyone must think the same ... think the same ... the same ... the same ...
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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Conservatives used to be against the debt.
Conservatives used to be against interventionist wars.

Should I continue and what would be the point?
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:55 AM
 
Location: USA
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Conservatives used to be against the debt.
Conservatives used to be against interventionist wars.

Should I continue and what would be the point?
True. Establishment Republicans have become more like the old Democrats. Democrats have become active Socialists. So we now have two choices. Full blown craziness, or lesser craziness.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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Liberals dumbed down their message to the point where only true dysfunctionals or isolated single issue estremists support them for personal reasons. You can't have a coherent message with a cobbled alliance of basket cases with little in common.
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