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Old 06-19-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Prediction you’re going to see an exodus of business leaving NY. NY like Calif will end up like a third world state.




https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060616261
Doesn’t seem unreasonable.
My state (CO) has passed something similar, as per the link:


“New Mexico and Washington both passed bills this year to decarbonize electricity generation by midcentury. Colorado passed a series of bills giving its regulators considerable power to green its economy. Maryland and Nevada have significantly boosted their requirements for renewable electricity production. And Oregon is nearing passage of a bill that would pave the way for it to join California's carbon cap-and-trade system.

But the size and the scope of New York's legislation has the potential to exceed those efforts. The state's energy-related carbon emissions were ninth in the nation in 2016, according to federal statistics.”

It will be interesting to see how all of this is implemented, but it’s a good start.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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Thing is, wages in NY (at least outside of the NYC area) are NOT high. The exodus of businesses, especially manufacturing has left few jobs and most are low-skill, service ones, with low pay. Combine low pay with high taxes and a high cost of living and you have an economic disaster. Which is one of the reasons NYS is dying. IIRC they have the highest (at least one of the highest) rates of out-migration of US citizens of any state in the nation.
Thats no different than rust belt states. Its not like Erie, Youngtown or Wilkes Barre in neighboring Pennsylvania are doing fantastic.

I simply responded to the person who complained not only about taxes and regulations being too high, but also the "cost of labor" was so high in NY. So he complains that wages are too high there.

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Old 06-19-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: USA
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Thats no different than rust belt states. Its not like Erie, Youngtown or Wilkes Barre in neighboring Pennsylvania are doing fantastic.

I simply responded to the person who complained that not about taxes and regulations being too high, but also the "cost of labor" was so high in NY. So he complains that wages are too high there.
You know absolutely nothing about business, nor economics. Grow up, and/or get some education.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Same here, but in '94. Where did you escape from? I lived in WNY, near Lockport.


Born and raised in The Twilight Zone.... Binghamton NY.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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How horrible that wages are high/labor is expensive in NY.

Look, most conservatives seem to agree that there is a race to the bottom going on with trade and relocation to third world countries. Why support the same policies domestically you advocate against?

Joe Sixpack can not in any way compete with corporations deciding to pack up and leave for Alabama or Mexico. Thats why labor unions are so crucial to check the power of the corporate elites. To simply celebrate corporate America's attack on the working man by pushing for a race to the bottom is not constructive. Its time that people find the guts to stand up for themselves and fight back.


Wages were not high where I lived.

After decades of losing defense contractors, IBM and all the smaller businesses that subcontracted to them....

My part of Upstate was basically take it or leave it wages. .......


I left.


I've made more in North Carolina and Virginia than I ever could have dreamed in Upstate NY.

More opportunities, lower taxes, lower cost of living too.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:34 AM
 
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Those workers that have left NYS to follow companies to Alabama have generally seen their wages increase (manufacturing is booming in Alabama), their taxes are a fraction of what they left...and they don't have 6 months of winter. Personally, the heat and humidity are too much for me, but otherwise Alabama is a pretty state. It's a shame leftists have ruined NYS-it also has some very pretty areas, just that most people can't afford to live there.
But Alabama is also a state that if you earn more than $200 a month, you dont get health care, even if you have children. Medicaid will not cover you. If you dont get health care from your employer, which means the employer has the power of life and death over your family if you lose your job, you're screwed.

So thousands die because they cant afford their medicine and surgery that they need. Thats what low taxes get you.

And when the companies start to complain about the high cost of labor in Alabama, they go to Mexico. Are you willing to follow them there as well? I fail to see how you can be supportive of a race to the bottom domestically. For the average worker, its a disaster. 40 years of wage stagnation for the typical male worker should teach us that.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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More, and more people are now rejecting those trends as they are way too radical for much of the country.

Vox and Huffpo??? Really???
Yes, really.

What Gavin Newsom said angered Republicans, but it’s brutally honest. California is more indicative of the long term future of the nation’s politics than a GOP identified with Trumpism. That’s why the R establishment tried to steer the party to acceptance for an immigration amnesty plan. Over the long term it makes more political sense than just telling a diminishing base what it wants to hear.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...r-donald-trump

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California is fulfilling its traditional role of leading the United States into the future. Trump, of course, has a very different idea of where the country should be heading. But when his efforts are viewed from the edge of the Pacific Ocean, they look even more quixotic and self-defeating than they do from Washington and New York.”
Yup. Quixotic and self-defeating. Orange County — and all — Republicans take note.
https://medium.com/@teixeira_99057/m...e-17b4114ae2c2.

You can see how the country is changing demographically and how that change projects to lay out politically in the future by looking at the States of Change Projects computer simulations.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content...report2018.pdf

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Old 06-19-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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they know it's a scam...

...because they know this

https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn....rbonemissi.jpg
Which is the graphical representation of something I have been pointing out repeatedly - if the US dropped our national emissions to 0, as in all humans in the US stopped exhaling, China would still be producing more CO2 than what China + US did in the year 2000.

Given where India's graph is headed, offsetting reductions by the EU, the same holds true there as well. China and India are taking over in increasing, and the US and EU are decreasing, yet the global total is increasing. Why? Because India and China's rate of increase, which the IPCC and the world are apparently totally cool with, is so much higher than the US + Eu rate of decrease. Yet somehow, the US and EU are still being blamed for the global emissions and warming problem.

Just that graph and the willful ignorance or acquiescence to China and India's rates of increase speaks to how this is nothing but one world government politics and has nothing to do with saving anything.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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“But an innovative new labor-environmentalist effort in New York – to build offshore wind turbines to power up to 6m homes – is a sharp departure from all that feuding and shows that these two groups can work together to advance renewable energy and reduce dependence on carbon-based energy.
...
Pushed by a professor at Cornell University, more than a dozen unions came together to develop what they call Climate Jobs New York, a plan that they say will create more than 10,000 jobs; jobs that they agree should be middle-class, union jobs.“

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lan-union-work

“New York City’s climate actions will create thousands of good-paying jobs in trades such as manufacturing, construction, landscaping, installation, and maintenance, to name a few. To ensure New Yorkers are prepared to capture these opportunities and that the jobs created are accessible, we will leverage the City’s youth and adult educational system — including Career and Technical Education Offerings — and workforce system — including industry-specific training, internship, and apprenticeship programs, such as the City’s Green Jobs Corps — to build a skilled local workforce. ”

Create economic opportunities for all New Yorkers through climate action - OneNYC 2050 - OneNYC 2050
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:47 AM
 
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Imagine what the electric bills of the future will look like..
That doesn't impact rich liberals very much to be of concern.

The poor will get their subsidies.

Who cares about the middle class.
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