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Old 06-19-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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If you benefit from labor union organization, you should pay up, but that's besides the point.

Its ridiculous to portray that the ruling class likes labor unions and democracy. Its the biggest domestic threat to their power and status. It makes zero sense for them to support it.
BS.

Unions can negotiate for only their members, and you know it.

When I have negotiated my pay increases, they only applied to me and other employees didn't have to pay me any dues.

Today, unions pretty much benefit the slackers who have little value.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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BS.

Unions can negotiate for only their members, and you know it.

When I have negotiated my pay increases, they only applied to me and other employees didn't have to pay me any dues.

Today, unions pretty much benefit the slackers who have little value.
Thats not how things work and the moneyed elite knows it. Thats why their so passionately against labor union organization. Just as their opposition to democracy. Why pretend otherwise?
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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Thats not how things work and the moneyed elite knows it. Thats why their so passionately against labor union organization. Just as their opposition to democracy. Why pretend otherwise?
You oppose CHOICE.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:43 AM
 
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If New York State wants clean energy, why have they been aggressively shutting down their nuclear power plants? First there was the Shoreham nuclear power plant on Long Island. That plant was 100% ready to go online and Gov. Mario Cuomo blocked it causing the bankruptcy of Long Island Lighting.


Indian Point 2 & Indian Point 3 on the Hudson north of New York City will shut in 2020 and 2021. Consolidated Edison plans to replace the Indian Point power with 3 gas turbine generating stations.


Under threat of closure are the James A. Fitzpatrick power station near Oswego, NY (originally scheduled to close in 2016) and the Nine Mile Point nuclear plant situated on the same plot of land as the Fitzpatrick.


The last coal fired power plant in New York State on Cayuga Lake still operates now and then but plans to convert it to liquified natural gas have fallen through due to local opposition. It will become a "solar powered" data center.


https://www.ithaca.com/news/tompkins...b56a5c6c2.html
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:57 AM
 
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Prediction you’re going to see an exodus of business leaving NY. NY like Calif will end up like a third world state.

California is the No. 5 GDP producer in the world. California is a world class first world state.

California went all in on green energy. Guess what happened? It stimulated the economy and produced lots of jobs.

Investing in a climate plan is stimulative to local economies and a net job creator. We know from experience.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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California is the No. 5 GDP producer in the world. California is a world class first world state.

California went all in on green energy. Guess what happened? It stimulated the economy and produced lots of jobs.

Investing in a climate plan is stimulative to local economies and a net job creator. We know from experience.
Odd isn't it, how they never want to talk about the number of jobs created by the renewable energy industry.
I guess that would put lie to their claims that going green will destroy economies, or something.



"Renewable energy jobs are booming across America, creating stable and high-wage employment for blue-collar workers in some of the country’s most fossil fuel-heavy states, just as the coal industry is poised for another downturn.
Economics are driving both sides of this equation: Building new renewable energy is cheaper than running existing coal plants and prices get cheaper every year. By 2025, almost every existing coal plant in the United States will cost more to operate than building replacement wind and solar within 35 miles of each plant.
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Clean energy jobs offer higher wages than the national average, and are widely available to workers without college degrees, according to new Brookings Institution research."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyi.../#7d74fc2f3665

https://www.edf.org/energy/clean-energy-jobs
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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So what about consumerism and Chinese goods and their terrible carbon footprint?

Too difficult for you liberals to understand?
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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Because the "renewable" energy industry is comparatively small compared even to Fracking which has produced a lot of new jobs. Renewables do not, and can not fulfill our energy needs. Not by a long shot. New York is shooting themselves in the foot again. They have lots of energy available through Fracking yet outlaw it. Meanwhile states like PA are benefiting greatly from Fracking with a huge economic benefits to local communities, tax revenue and JOBS.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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Prediction you’re going to see an exodus of business leaving NY.



This has been going on for decades. So what's new?
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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The "emissions" they are talking about reducing in New York are CO2 emissions which is NOT a pollutant.
Correct. Humans have been exhaling CO2 for thousands of years.
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