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Old 06-19-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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The question is why it's getting attention, isn't it?

Why was it even brought up, after a year?
I answered you already why I brought it up.

Maybe you need to answer why you feel the need to badger me about this. You seem to think it's not important, yet you take the time to persist in this nonsense questioning. One question is fine - but why you are continuing to push this is for you to answer, not me.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's fascinating how you highlight Iraq over and over and over in your excerpts, then reference Iran as if they are interchangeable.

sorry having network issues today... now part2




The 9/11 Commission Report stated that 8 to 10 of the hijackers on 9/11 previously passed through Iran and their travel was facilitated by Iranian border guards.[SIZE=2][58][/SIZE][SIZE=2][63][/SIZE] The report also found "circumstantial evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives were closely tracking the travel of some of these future muscle hijackers into Iran in November 2000."[SIZE=2][63][/SIZE] After the commission called for "further investigation" into a possible Iranian role in the attacks, President George W. Bush demanded that Iran sever its ties with al-Qaeda, while saying that in his view, "There was no direct connection between Iran and the attacks of September 11."[SIZE=2][64][/SIZE]
Judge George B. Daniels ruled in a federal district court in Manhattan that Iran bears legal responsibility for providing "material support" to the 9/11 plotters and hijackers in Havlish, et al. v. Osama bin Laden, Iran, et al.[SIZE=2][65][/SIZE][SIZE=2][66][/SIZE] Included in Judge Daniels' findings was that Iran "used front companies to obtain a Boeing 757-767-777 flight simulator for training the terrorists", Ramzi bin al-Shibh traveled to Iran in January 2001, and an Iranian government memorandum from May 14, 2001 demonstrates Iranian culpability in planning the attacks.[SIZE=2][65][/SIZE] Two defectors from Iran’s intelligence service testified that Iranian officials had "foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks."[SIZE=2][67][/SIZE] By contrast, the 9/11 Commission "found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack. At the time of their travel through Iran, the al Qaeda operatives themselves were probably not aware of the specific details of their future operation." In addition, both bin al-Shibh and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed denied "any relationship between the hijackers and Hezbollah" and "any other reason for the hijackers' travel to Iran" besides "taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports."[SIZE=2][63][/SIZE]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_a...ored_terrorism
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Iran (Shia) and Al Qaeda (Sunni) seem like unlikely bedfellows given the Shia-Sunni divide that often exists in Islamic society. This divide, however, has not precluded cooperation in certain conditions, as the two have found "common cause in their mutual hatred of America; both can see the virtue in having more anti-U.S. violence, whatever the source."
Iran has collaborated with Al Qaeda covertly and often by proxy due to the latter's notorious reputation. This covert cooperation began in the early 1990's in Sudan, continued after Al Qaeda relocated to Afghanistan, and even manifested itself on Iranian soil before, during, and after the September 11 attacks. Although such cooperation has been known by authorities, for the first time in July 2011 the U.S. formally accused Iran of forging an alliance with Al-Qaeda that includes harboring Al-Qaeda operatives on Iranian territory and helping Al-Qaeda transit money, weapons and fighters.


Iran-Al Qaeda links are not new. Ties between the two were initiated in the early 1990s when Hasan Al-Turabi, the leader of Sudan's National Islamic Front, began to encourage Sunni-Shia reconciliation in order to defeat the common enemy, namely America and its allies. According to the U.S. court record for the 1998 U.S embassy bombings, Osama bin Laden was living in Khartoum when the Sudanese religious scholar Ahmed Abdel Rahman Hamadabi brought Sheikh Nomani, an emissary of Iran, to meet the nascent Al Qaeda leadership. Sheikh Nomani "had access to the highest echelons of power in Tehran."
As a result of this meeting, "Iran and Al Qaeda reached an informal agreement to cooperate, with Iran providing critical explosives, intelligence, and security training to bin Laden's organization."


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Recently, a former spokesman for Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Said Qasemi, surprisingly disclosed that Tehran sent agents to Bosnia and Herzegovina to train Al-Qaeda members. He added that Tehran’s operatives were hiding their identity by acting as humanitarian workers for Iran’s Red Crescent.




In late 2017, a trove of 470,000 documents released by the CIA revealed close ties between Tehran and Al-Qaeda. The late Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden advised his followers to revere Tehran, and wrote that Iran was the “main artery for funds, personnel and communication” for the group.
For more sophisticated training, Al-Qaeda members traveled to Lebanon. According to the documents, Iran offered Al-Qaeda fighters “money and arms and everything they need, and offered them training in Hezbollah camps in Lebanon, in return for striking American interests in Saudi Arabia.” Most likely, three Iranian institutions have been instrumental in helping Al-Qaeda: The IRGC, its elite Quds Force and the Intelligence Ministry.






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https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/al-...h-relationship
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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The question is why it's getting attention, isn't it?

Why was it even brought up, after a year?
You're not going to get a rational answer because he's already reducing this to the personal now instead of answering your larger question as to why this is only now being featured in the news.

Answer: Trump wasn't running for re-election and sinking in the polls faster than a submarine with a screen door, taking Pompeo, and the likes of Bolton along with him into the basement of obscurity.

They desperately need a war ….any war, to prop up their sinking ship. Who shives a git if thousands more American young men are sacrificed for the political expediency of maintaining party control.

Gads, its like Rocky 12 where the plot is so predictable you don't need to actually watch the stupid movie at all.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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Iran is a troll.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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man. it's getting to the point where a guy can't even cite a criticism of iran without everyone shrieking 'warmonger!' at him.

what does your media bias fact checker say about al arabiya?

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/fea...attackers.html
Why bring up 9/11 while the war mongers in the WH are setting their sights on Iran?

Why not bring up 9/11 when Trump is arming the Saudis--the perpetrators of 9/11?

It appears to be a justification for attacking Iran--which is why 9/11 propaganda is being resurrected, but very disingenuous. Just logic.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Right on cue:

Iran Has Ties to Al Qaeda, Trump Officials Tell Skeptical Congress

Iran Has Ties to Al Qaeda, Trump Officials Tell Skeptical Congress


It goes back to the original post 9-11 policy that allows the President to go to de-facto war without congressional permission. Clearly the attempt is to tie Iran to the original legislation, so that no oversight is possible.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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Right on cue:

Iran Has Ties to Al Qaeda, Trump Officials Tell Skeptical Congress

Iran Has Ties to Al Qaeda, Trump Officials Tell Skeptical Congress


It goes back to the original post 9-11 policy that allows the President to go to de-facto war without congressional permission. Clearly the attempt is to tie Iran to the original legislation, so that no oversight is possible.
A huge mistake. One that should have been rectified under Obama but was not.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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A huge mistake. One that should have been rectified under Obama but was not.
Agreed. Hand in hand with the Patriot Act, that should have been allowed to die as well.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Great theory.

One small hole.

Al Qaeda is a Sunni Muslim sect (extremist obviously) Iran is Shia. The'yre sworn enemies. They may actually hate Iran more than they hate the U.S. It's crystal clear, and has been for many, many years that Saudi is the chief state supporter of Al Qaeda, and in fact the source of the majority of their members and leadership.

Of course, you're free to keep blowing your dog whistle of misinformation to justify yet another fabricated war.
Not quite.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has worked directly with Iraqi insurgents to provide them with training, materials, and expertise to fight U.S. and coalition troops.

By some estimates, Iran has killed 1 in 6 American troops in Iraq.

Make no mistake, the 'Great Satan' is a unifier among rogue nations.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why bring up 9/11 while the war mongers in the WH are setting their sights on Iran?

Why not bring up 9/11 when Trump is arming the Saudis--the perpetrators of 9/11?

It appears to be a justification for attacking Iran--which is why 9/11 propaganda is being resurrected, but very disingenuous. Just logic.


ALQ did 9/11.. not the Saudis


what does the nationalities (where they are born) of the 9/11 attackers have to do with their theological stance ??
? so what does 15 of the attacker being BORN in SA have to do with their GROUP AFFILIATION???







try this scenario...and actual answer it..honestly...

a bunch of former New Yorkers, who still have family in NY and even get money for those families in NY, are now members of a fanatical church in New Jersey, and are living in NJ, they travel all over the USA getting supplies/training/etc....then they bomb an abortion clinic in Pennsylvania ...are you going to blame the government of New York State...or would you blame the fanatical church in New Jersey??????


answer honestly.......
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