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Old 06-25-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Well, Obama's wrong on that one. My impression of President Obama (more of a "President" than what we have now) is that he lacked much of a backbone and felt intimidated by the higher-ups in the party, when he was nominated, so he lined up with his cabinet with establishment picks.

But when his second term came around, that's when most of his progressive accomplishments happened. Kerry replaced Clinton as SOS, and unlike her, he was more of a dove than a hawk. A dove with great diplomatic skills. That's a plus in my book. HRC was way too hawkish for my tastes; drone strike casualty rate plummeted after Kerry took over.

What Obama lacked in spine and backbone, he made up for it in class and intelligence; and good intentions. Which is more than I could say for any Republican POTUS we've had since Dwight D Eisenhower. Since Eisenhower, the smart Republican Presidents have been the most clever crooks (looking at you, Nixon and Reagan). And then, there's Bush II and Trump.

So, although I "respect" BHO, I have to disagree with him there.
Obama ordered air strikes on Syria in September of 2014. Kerry became SoS Feb 2013.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: South Florida for now
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That's not reason enough?

That and he's an old white male who cost Hillary the election and will probably get Trump reelected.....

I'm sorry...... what was the question?
Are you an old white male?

I'm tired of hearing old white males who use "he's an old white male" as an excuse to smear Sanders; he's no angel. He has dirt, like all politicians do. Dig up some actual dirt. His age and race don't count.

I already pointed out some problems I have with him. But unlike you, I am honest with myself. You seem desperate to bash and vilify Sanders. Just admit that the idea of "economic fairness" scares you.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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As everyone has already said, he is not a real democrat but the closest thing to socialist that a white male could possibly get. Otherwise, it would be impossible by nature for him to be concerned over anything other than his wallet, his God, guns, women's reproductive systems, and war. Furthermore, Bernie does not live like a socialist, just wants everyone to.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I have noted for a long time that it's not even about Sanders, it's about the ideas. I would get behind someone with the same ideas but then we get to what this thread is really about. Why is the DNC against those ideas?
Bernie's ideas are too extreme for me. Several of the candidates have presented versions of these policies that are much more practical and doable.

Prisoners voting while still in prison?
Medicare for all?
Free college?
Eliminating all college debt?

What is so weird about not being in favor of these ideas? They are not practical. If a candidate is going to be for super-progressive policies, they need to present a way that they can be realistically and financially implemented. I don't expect any moderate Democrats are enthusiastic about Bernie's policies.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Bernie's ideas are too extreme for me. Several of the candidates have presented versions of these policies that are much more practical and doable.

Prisoners voting while still in prison?
Medicare for all?
Free college?
Eliminating all college debt?

What is so weird about not being in favor of these ideas? They are not practical. If a candidate is going to be for super-progressive policies, they need to present a way that they can be realistically and financially implemented. I don't expect any moderate Democrats are enthusiastic about Bernie's policies.
I find it sad that you see everyone being able to access affordable health care as extreme and he NEVER argued for free college. If you want to condemn him, condemn him but do it honestly.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Are you an old white male?

I'm tired of hearing old white males who use "he's an old white male" as an excuse to smear Sanders; he's no angel. He has dirt, like all politicians do. Dig up some actual dirt. His age and race don't count.

I already pointed out some problems I have with him. But unlike you, I am honest with myself. You seem desperate to bash and vilify Sanders. Just admit that the idea of "economic fairness" scares you.



No,

It's your's and Bernie's definition of "economic fairness" that scares me.

My idea of economic fairness is:

I keep what I make and you keep what you make.

Pretty simple.

Anything else is legislating class envy for political gain.
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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No,

It's your's and Bernie's definition of "economic fairness" that scares me.

My idea of economic fairness is:

I keep what I make and you keep what you make.

Pretty simple.

Anything else is legislating class envy for political gain.
Get rid of the Federal Reserve then. Until we do that, everything else is on the table to try and level the field.
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:44 PM
 
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He only became a democrat to run for POTUS. That is far easier than running as an independent. He didn't have to worry about ballot access. The Ds were nuts for allowing him on their ballot.

Sanders didn't provide floor leaders for his delegates to the Democratic National convention. The problem they created I believe it was intentional.

I also believe he is too far left. If the progressives nominate someone far left, they may as well vote for Donald Trump. There may be a bunch of young far left progressive, but there is also a bunch of old middle of the road lefties who know how to add.
LOL.

'you must spread the reputation around before giving it to crone again'.
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Get rid of the Federal Reserve then. Until we do that, everything else is on the table to try and level the field.


You'll get no argument from me about ending the Fed.
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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You'll get no argument from me about ending the Fed.
But it is never going to happen so we have to defend those who are routinely harmed by their policies.
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