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The next question becomes: are nations the best way to organize people?
Nations group people together by geography, which means a vertical cut of global population that includes all classes.
By contrast, market states group people by class. In other words, unite all of the upper class people of the world into one state, and unite all of the lower class people of the world into one state. They are basically corporations, spanning geographies but uniting people of like mind and ability.
Given that corporations have been running circles around governments for 40 years, I'm inclined to believe the market state is the future.
^^^ This is like religious dogma. No basis in evidence, no connection to reality... but if you believe it you'll be seen as good and worthy.
Quite the opposite in fact. Every example provided of failed multicultural nations has been of backward, traditional, pre-modern societies. Same for every homogenous society that failed due to internal problems.
There is a caveat that I will acknowledge. In order to work, there are certain basic civilizational values that the cultures have to mutually share. One is a sincere acceptance of the idea of liberal multiculturalism itself and not harbor hidden agendas of eventual "takeover" or oppression of others. The other is that the different cultures must be, or in a reasonable amount of time after immigration, become fully first world and modern in their core values. I will agree that multiculturalism does not work if there exists a long-term civilizational asymmetry where some subgroup remains pre-modern and/or opposed to multiculturalism indefinitely.
To take a specific current situation. Western societies can exist with Islam. It will admittedly need to be an Islam whos adherents eventually become more liberal and resistant to conservative clerical fantasies of eventual take over. And for whom sharia law is no longer a strong desire. Basically, the same reasons protestants and catholics and jews now live together in religiously multicultural countries and there is no threat of civil war or partition. One doesn't have to travel very far back in time to find an era where that was not the case in Europe and America. This requires battling the reactionary elements in both the immigrant and majority groups.
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So... the problem was never with this radical utopian theory of how societies ought to arrange themselves. No, it was always with the people being too backward and insincere to make it work. For multiculturalism to become a smashing success, all we need is for everyone to get woke and become truly true believers in multiculturalism. That ALL WE NEED!
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So... the problem was never with this radical utopian theory of how societies ought to arrange themselves. No, it was always with the people being too backward and insincere to make it work. For multiculturalism to become a smashing success, all we need is for everyone to get woke and become truly true believers in multiculturalism. That ALL WE NEED!
There's an issue, between two religions. While the people are most time true blue with one another ... the governments will never let it rest. 3000 plus years ... no rest in sight.
By the way what should the dominant culture be here anyway? I have a feeling I need not ask that question. It's really sad that so many people are scared about the changing demographics of this country and the fact that end of the day there is nothing they can do about those changing demographics. People are even writing dissertations about how these changing demographics will "destroy America" and cases against it. I bet some of you all are so hot and bothered that many of your children and grandchildren will have kids that look nothing like you, what a pathetic way to be. You all realize this is a reality and there nothing you can do about it but vent your frustrations. Get over it snowflakes!!
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So... the problem was never with this radical utopian theory of how societies ought to arrange themselves. No, it was always with the people being too backward and insincere to make it work. For multiculturalism to become a smashing success, all we need is for everyone to get woke and become truly true believers in multiculturalism. That ALL WE NEED!
Quite frankly, yes.
The places it has failed or is currently struggling, it has been precisely due to the backwardness and desire for tribal hegemony of all or one of the groups.
Multiculturalism only works among modern people who have embraced certain core modern values and who actually desire multiculturalism.
If multiculturalism (that we today see in our society) is really so great then why don’t they push it in India or China etc?
Sometimes multicultural seems to mean to miscegenate the white race.
And I am NOT white.
Multicultural is a loaded gun imo, and it should be carefully handled.
Multiculturalism, imo, does NOT mean that you try to mix some people of color with white race.
Perhaps what it actually means is that the “most talented” and “best fit for the job” people are appropriately placed on positions that will make the most out of resources used - REGARDLESS of the skin color of the person.
You will probably shoot yourself in the foot if, in the name of multiculturalism, you import milllions of people of color from the third world (regardless of their talent education and skill level) and try to infuse them in your society.
Europe did that and now are suffering.
Canada; however, played it somewhat smart. Their laws mostly allow only the highly educated, skillful and talented people from the third world to immigrate to Canada (this is besides the family based immigration).
IMO, the growth rate in white population is on the slow side and we should try to preserve this race.
World population is like a blanket, and white race is also a lovely color with all other colors that adds to its beauty.
Not sure why some people are so hell bent to make the white race vanish from the face of earth?
There is a general notion among SOME non-whites that white race is evil and it has spread a lot of destruction in the human history.
OK, let’s assume it’s true for the sake of argument.
Here is the answer,
non-whites have also spread A LOT of destruction and corruption in the human history - I guess non-whites have fought more wars amomg themselves and killed more people than whites may have done it.
So, when it comes to destruction and the factor of evilness - it looks like both whites and non-white races are either equal or not too far apart from each other.
*** BUT ***
White race has also done A LOT OF GOOD that has been benefiting humanity for centuries - the exploration in medical science - finding cures of many diseases - discovering and creating all kinds of vaccination and medication - achieving academic and exemplary organizational skills, cutting edge engineering, Physics, Math, space exploration and providing solutions to many many challenges to humanity, that actually leaves the non-white race in dust, if you compare their contributions for the benefit of humanity.
Remember, multiculturalism does NOT mean that you put a black man on top of a white woman.
Multiculturalism means that the best educated and the best qualified people are given the responsibilities that suit best with their skill set *REGARDLESS* of their skin color.
If multiculturalism (that we today see in our society) is really so great then why don’t they push it in India or China etc?
Sometimes multicultural seems to mean to miscegenate the white race.
And I am NOT white.
Multicultural is a loaded gun imo, and it should be carefully handled.
Multiculturalism, imo, does NOT mean that you try to mix some people of color with white race.
Perhaps what it actually means is that the “most talented” and “best fit for the job” people are appropriately placed on positions that will make the most out of resources used - REGARDLESS of the skin color of the person.
You will probably shoot yourself in the foot if, in the name of multiculturalism, you import milllions of people of color from the third world (regardless of their talent education and skill level) and try to infuse them in your society.
Europe did that and now are suffering.
Canada; however, played it somewhat smart. Their laws mostly allow only the highly educated, skillful and talented people from the third world to immigrate to Canada (this is besides the family based immigration).
IMO, the growth rate in white population is on the slow side and we should try to preserve this race.
World population is like a blanket, and white race is also a lovely color with all other colors that adds to its beauty.
Not sure why some people are so hell bent to make the white race vanish from the face of earth?
There is a general notion among SOME non-whites that white race is evil and it has spread a lot of destruction in the human history.
OK, let’s assume it’s true for the sake of argument.
Here is the answer,
non-whites have also spread A LOT of destruction and corruption in the human history - I guess non-whites have fought more wars amomg themselves and killed more people than whites may have done it.
So, when it comes to destruction and the factor of evilness - it looks like both whites and non-white races are either equal or not too far apart from each other.
*** BUT ***
White race has also done A LOT OF GOOD that has been benefiting humanity for centuries - the exploration in medical science - finding cures of many diseases - discovering and creating all kinds of vaccination and medication - achieving academic and exemplary organizational skills, cutting edge engineering, Physics, Math, space exploration and providing solutions to many many challenges to humanity, that actually leaves the non-white race in dust, if you compare their contributions for the benefit of humanity.
Remember, multiculturalism does NOT mean that you put a black man on top of a white woman.
Multiculturalism means that the best educated and the best qualified people are given the responsibilities that suit best with their skill set *REGARDLESS* of their skin color.
And again, I am NOT white.
Lol...you may as well be if you really aren’t. .
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