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Old 04-28-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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I wonder if blacks ever ask why they only do this when election time rolls around? If they really cared about blacks, wouldn't they be bringing bills to the Senate floor all the time?
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Old 04-28-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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A Poetic Opinion:

Dear.... Dear...Cory.....
Blue eyed, part white and without worry.
Proposing bill for reparations glory.
If it passes don't say your'e sorry
You too will pay. End of Story.
If you had that published, what would you call this cool poem?
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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No one is going to change 99% of peoples minds on any topic, especially the topic of reparations. Reparations will NEVER happen, as I am sure most people know. However, its the CONVERSATION that is really the goal.

Here is the question America must answer. "What if"? What if blacks were on par economically with whites, what would it mean for America as a whole?


# Higher GDP
  • More consumption by blacks creating a multiplier and increased revenues to business, increased hiring due to increased demand, increased taxes paid by blacks.
# Less Welfare payments
  • A much lower black poverty rate leads to less blacks on public assistance and less tax payer burden to make transfer payments to the poor.
# Less Crime
  • The high violent crime rate in the black community comes from the poor black population and the black rate of poverty is 3 times the rate of whites. Thus, reducing the black poverty rate to the level of white rates of poverty will result in big drop in violent crime, a reduction in the prison population and its cost to the taxpayers, reduction of police and court cost, etc.
# Improved global image of the US
  • With black economic parity, the US will for the first time be able to stand before the world and present itself proudly as a truly healed nation that can finally live up to its grand pronouncements.


Call it what you want, but a targeted effort to improve the condition of African Americans seems like a win for the nation as a whole. Why would the nation not value, want and seek that? This aspect is never even considered. Instead, reparations is just seen as a "check" to individuals. Who said that?

In my opinion, its an indictment against America that it does not want or seek to do this.....regardless of what you call it. I feel the reason is that America sees black people as inherently inferior. You only invest in something that you believe that has a chance of producing a return on investment, otherwise you just see it as throwing money away. If you had a child who demonstrated a lack of coordination and athletic ability and you felt that you and your spouse, their parents, never had athletic ability, would you invest in athletic training for your him in hope he could one day get a college scholarships for athletics? No, not if you thought he just did not have the "genes" for it. You would think no amount of training would overcome his gene limitations. That is how America treats, if not sees, its black population. Blacks don't have the "genes" to be equal with whites.

America does not believe in the mental abilities of black people, whether it be intellectual or emotional. They see the black condition of today to be born from the NATURE of blacks, not the racist nurturing of this society over the centuries. Some will use the euphemism of culture because calling the culture of blacks inferior is a means of insulating one from being called a racist for directly calling the race inferior. However, culture is as influenced by oppression as is economics.

America will in no way target and invest in the collective black community with the goal of economic equality due to the fact that America is essentially still a racist nation.....just not as racist as it used to be.


It's like you are a basketball player who is really good with doing everything with your right hand, but under utilizes the capacity of the left hand. Is it discrimination against the right hand to start focusing effort and energies to improve the ability of the left hand? Would it not make the PERSON a better player of if they could use their left hand as well or nearly as well as the right hand? America has an underutilized black population that could make AMERICA better if it targeted blacks for improvement. However, America refuses to look at it that way. The question is "why"?

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Old 04-28-2019, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Clarence, NY
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When will I get the money from those politicians that steal from me?

I've been waiting for it....
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Old 04-28-2019, 03:50 PM
 
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It is a fight for the primaries right now, and some are still under the impression primary votes matter.

Democrats do not need to pander to blacks, they vote Democrat anyway, and as a group, are too small to significantly influence the election due to not only size, but location. However, for the primaries, they do have influence, even though 2016 and 2010 showed it does not matter, the DNC will choose who they want anyway.
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Old 04-28-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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No one is going to change 99% of peoples minds on any topic, especially the topic of reparations. Reparations will NEVER happen, as I am sure most people know. However, its the CONVERSATION that is really the goal.

Here is the question America must answer. "What if"? What if blacks were on par economically with whites, what would it mean for America as a whole?


# Higher GDP
  • More consumption by blacks creating a multiplier and increased revenues to business, increased hiring due to increased demand, increased taxes paid by blacks.
# Less Welfare payments
  • A much lower black poverty rate leads to less blacks on public assistance and less tax payer burden to make transfer payments to the poor.
# Less Crime
  • The high violent crime rate in the black community comes from the poor black population and the black rate of poverty is 3 times the rate of whites. Thus, reducing the black poverty rate to the level of white rates of poverty will result in big drop in violent crime, a reduction in the prison population and its cost to the taxpayers, reduction of police and court cost, etc.
# Improved global image of the US
  • With black economic parity, the US will for the first time be able to stand before the world and present itself proudly as a truly healed nation that can finally live up to its grand pronouncements.


Call it what you want, but a targeted effort to improve the condition of African Americans seems like a win for the nation as a whole. Why would the nation not value, want and seek that? This aspect is never even considered. Instead, reparations is just seen as a "check" to individuals. Who said that?

In my opinion, its an indictment against America that it does not want or seek to do this.....regardless of what you call it. I feel the reason is that America sees black people as inherently inferior. You only invest in something that you believe that has a chance of producing a return on investment, otherwise you just see it as throwing money away. If you had a child who demonstrated a lack of coordination and athletic ability and you felt that you and your spouse, their parents, never had athletic ability, would you invest in athletic training for your him in hope he could one day get a college scholarships for athletics? No, not if you thought he just did not have the "genes" for it. You would think no amount of training would overcome his gene limitations. That is how America treats, if not sees, its black population. Blacks don't have the "genes" to be equal with whites.

America does not believe in the mental abilities of black people, whether it be intellectual or emotional. They see the black condition of today to be born from the NATURE of blacks, not the racist nurturing of this society over the centuries. Some will use the euphemism of culture because calling the culture of blacks inferior is a means of insulating one from being called a racist for directly calling the race inferior. However, culture is as influenced by oppression as is economics.

America will in no way target and invest in the collective black community with the goal of economic equality due to the fact that America is essentially still a racist nation.....just not as racist as it used to be.


It's like you are a basketball player who is really good with doing everything with your right hand, but under utilizes the capacity of the left hand. Is it discrimination against the right hand to start focusing effort and energies to improve the ability of the left hand? Would it not make the PERSON a better player of if they could use their left hand as well or nearly as well as the right hand? America has an underutilized black population that could make AMERICA better if it targeted blacks for improvement. However, America refuses to look at it that way. The question is "why"?

Can you please explain how this would differ from years of welfare, Section 8, food stamps, etc?
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Old 04-28-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Are there any American blacks who would be better off today if their forebears had never left Africa? Would they willingly trade places with any black living in Africa? Slavery ended more than a century and a half ago, reparations are a ludicrous demand.
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Old 04-28-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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Recently, Cory Booker introduce(d) Senate bill on slavery reparations

I believe that is a very bad idea. It is either a money grab, or enabling social pathologies such as unwed teen pregnancies, dropping out of school and society, and drug abuse.

Historical grievances are many and they run deep. The Blacks, the Mormons, the Mennonites and the Jews have a long history of being persecuted. The Ku Klux Klan (the "Klan") terrorized black people, Catholics and Jews in the second half of the 19th Century and intermittently through the 20th Century. Similar violence occurred via lynchings. Non-violent but very disturbing and humiliating discrimination such as "Jim Crow" laws, residential and school segregation were the order of the day. These were upheld as the law of the land in the despicable Plessy v. Fergeson Supreme Court decision, which followed from the odious Dred Scott v. Sanford decision prior to the Civil War. Corey Booker proposes reparations to living African-Americans. See Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act. Excerpt of Congressional preamble:

Excerpt from Duke Chronical:
African-Americans are hardly the only group to suffer serious and crippling discrimination.

As detailed in Mormon History (link) the Mormons were driven from Palmyra, New York to Pennsylvania, to Ohio, to their own city, Nauvoo, Illinois. During that era, Joseph Smith, their leader, was murdered in jail. The Mormons then relocated, finally, to Utah. Persecution of them was abundant, and vicious.

The Mennonites fared somewhat better, but have also been persecuted. See Mennonite History Is Marked by Persecution.

The Jews' history barely needs retelling. David Nirenberg’s excellent book, Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition, reviewed here in Tablet Magazine and here in the New Republic, discusses this baleful history. He explains that much of the hatred was directed at theoretical Jews by people who had never met a real one. The Pharaohnic hatred of the Jews led them to create a parallel myth to the Exodus story, to the effect that they gave the Hebrews the boot, not the other way around. The Holocaust is extremely recent and devastating. One-third of Jews were executed. Many more fled, and lost their property in the process.

The issue of reparations is a delicate one. The Jews received some compensation, by way of West Germany making some payments to the State of Israel as a result of the Holocaust. There have been settlements in some civil actions brought by victims and their immediate descendants for property plundered by the Nazis. These payments were to actual living victims of actual living persecutors. Aside from these payments by the German government to some Jews, and the Jewish State of Israel, reparations are rarely paid, for reasons I consider to be good. Not everything in life can be fair.

I come out against reparations for historical acts. Neither the victims or the perpetrators are alive. The people who suffered slavery will never be recompensed. The people who administered the lashes will never be punished for their cruelty.

The people receiving this unearned lucre have, by and large, never experienced Jim Crow, residential or educational segregation. The people paying taxes to fund the reparations have never, by and large, done anything wrong.

In short, reparations are the punishment of the blameless for the benefit of the uninjured.
He’s another idiot who won’t get out of the primary.
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Old 04-28-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Booker is a 3 watt, a real dim bulb.
Yep, Stanford grad/football academic all conference........
Honors at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar..........
Yale law grad...............

dumber than a rock this guy.
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Old 04-28-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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Are there any American blacks who would be better off today if their forebears had never left Africa? Would they willingly trade places with any black living in Africa? Slavery ended more than a century and a half ago, reparations are a ludicrous demand.



I always just wonder why people ask these types of questions. Should all blacks in Africa feel badly about themselves for living there? Why so much putting down of other people's lifestyles and heritage? And have you ever visited, or just believe what the media feeds to you? This doesn't mean I'm defending reparations because I'm not, neither do I believe all that much has been gained in the race chaos caused by U.S. slavery.
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