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yeah... just like that, except that in this comparison the 'rapist' is completely innocent of raping anyone.
I am talking about racist people rioting. The people most upset will be the racist. Hence, reparations will create a backlash among racist. The analogy was between rapist and racist.
That having been said, psychologist need to examine how centuries of slavery and racial oppression has impacted African Americans. You need to bring in, to the degree that its possible, unbiased trained professional in behavioral and social science. Rarely do you see psychologist solicited to help understand or explain black behavior and culture. What did living under a system of white supremacy, for over 3 centuries, do to the mindset of black people, who were relegated to be treated as and seen, under the system, as the most inferior of the races?
The legacy of racial oppression is accrued in the culture of African Americans. The reason that African immigrants can come to America and do so much better than African Americans is due to the fact that their culture has not been infected by racial oppression to the degree that descendants of enslaved Americans have. Hence, reparations could be mostly money spent on social engineering a more self confident culture among African Americans. How you do that is not in my pay grade to decide, but it certainly is not going to happen by suggestion. It will require monies and most importantly, TARGETED effort aimed specifically at African Americans, not a one size fits all program for women, LGBTQ, minorities and whales. Blacks were TARGETED into this situation and hence has to be, as specifically, TARGETED out of the situation.
Again....all that having been said. America will not invest in what it feels is an inferior race of people. Note how the west invest differently in Asia....as opposed to Africa. They invest in Asia....and give handout to Africa, with relatively little Foreign Direct Investment. Africans are for aid.....Asians are for investment. It's the same black inferiority mindset.
Why not bring in psychologists to examine how centuries of pogroms, discrimination and ultimately Einsatzgruppen and gas chambers impacted the Jewish people?
Why not bring in psychologists to examine how centuries of pogroms, discrimination and ultimately Einsatzgruppen and gas chambers impacted the Jewish people?
Judaism is a religion, not a race. It's believers believe they are the chosen people and they believe that they are being persecuted because of that. Their history is recorded in the Bible, as well as their image and who Jesus was birth from. Hence, their view of their religion and beliefs has not been diminished by their persecution. Seeing that you are chosen by the almighty mitigates the impact of the actions of mankind and their beliefs and actions on ones psychology. This is not to say that they did not experience psychological trauma, but they had their original culture and religion in tack to guide them through it.
The foundation of who black people were was largely stripped from them, giving them no foundation to stand on against the doctrine of white supremacy and black inferiority. Jewish religion and culture largely remained intact, after their persecutions, while black religion and culture was dismantled, largely, as a result of black oppression. We were given a white Jesus to worship, were told all things good was white while all things black are bad. Hence, blacks were conditioned to see themselves as less....with nothing of value in their image....certainly not God.
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Judaism is a religion, not a race. It's believers believe they are the chosen people and they believe that they are being persecuted because of that. Their history is recorded in the Bible, as well as their image and who Jesus was birth from. Hence, their view of their religion and beliefs has not been diminished by their persecution. Seeing that you are chosen by the almighty mitigates the impact of the actions of mankind and their beliefs and actions on ones psychology. This is not to say that they did not experience psychological trauma, but they had their original culture and religion in tack to guide them through it.
The rub here is that the Bible does not say for what we are chosen, whether it's for good things, persecution or something entirely different. The difference between our travails and black's travails are rather thin,
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The foundation of who black people were was largely stripped from them, giving them no foundation to stand on against the doctrine of white supremacy and black inferiority. Jewish religion and culture largely remained intact, after their persecutions, while black religion and culture was dismantled, largely, as a result of black oppression. We were given a white Jesus to worship, were told all things good was white while all things black are bad. Hence, blacks were conditioned to see themselves as less....with nothing of value in their image....certainly not God.
You are saying that the black church and body of music is not evidence of cultural vitality? And you're saying that intra-African warfare, captivity and slavery didn't do damage?
I believe that is a very bad idea. It is either a money grab, or enabling social pathologies such as unwed teen pregnancies, dropping out of school and society, and drug abuse.
Historical grievances are many and they run deep. The Blacks, the Mormons, the Mennonites and the Jews have a long history of being persecuted. The Ku Klux Klan (the "Klan") terrorized black people, Catholics and Jews in the second half of the 19th Century and intermittently through the 20th Century. Similar violence occurred via lynchings. Non-violent but very disturbing and humiliating discrimination such as "Jim Crow" laws, residential and school segregation were the order of the day. These were upheld as the law of the land in the despicable Plessy v. Fergeson Supreme Court decision, which followed from the odious Dred Scott v. Sanford decision prior to the Civil War. Corey Booker proposes reparations to living African-Americans. See Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act. Excerpt of Congressional preamble:
Excerpt from Duke Chronical:
African-Americans are hardly the only group to suffer serious and crippling discrimination.
As detailed in Mormon History (link) the Mormons were driven from Palmyra, New York to Pennsylvania, to Ohio, to their own city, Nauvoo, Illinois. During that era, Joseph Smith, their leader, was murdered in jail. The Mormons then relocated, finally, to Utah. Persecution of them was abundant, and vicious.
The Jews' history barely needs retelling. David Nirenberg’s excellent book, Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition, reviewed here in Tablet Magazine and here in the New Republic, discusses this baleful history. He explains that much of the hatred was directed at theoretical Jews by people who had never met a real one. The Pharaohnic hatred of the Jews led them to create a parallel myth to the Exodus story, to the effect that they gave the Hebrews the boot, not the other way around. The Holocaust is extremely recent and devastating. One-third of Jews were executed. Many more fled, and lost their property in the process.
The issue of reparations is a delicate one. The Jews received some compensation, by way of West Germany making some payments to the State of Israel as a result of the Holocaust. There have been settlements in some civil actions brought by victims and their immediate descendants for property plundered by the Nazis. These payments were to actual living victims of actual living persecutors. Aside from these payments by the German government to some Jews, and the Jewish State of Israel, reparations are rarely paid, for reasons I consider to be good. Not everything in life can be fair.
I come out against reparations for historical acts. Neither the victims or the perpetrators are alive. The people who suffered slavery will never be recompensed. The people who administered the lashes will never be punished for their cruelty.
The people receiving this unearned lucre have, by and large, never experienced Jim Crow, residential or educational segregation. The people paying taxes to fund the reparations have never, by and large, done anything wrong.
In short, reparations are the punishment of the blameless for the benefit of the uninjured.
Voters just need to take a look historically at who runs the towns/cities where they live, and ask themselves... am I being represented in the best light and with my best interests in mind. If the answer is no, which is going to be the typical answer in any city controlled by long time Dems, then you should try voting the other way for a few cycles to see if anything improves.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. It's believers believe they are the chosen people and they believe that they are being persecuted because of that. Their history is recorded in the Bible, as well as their image and who Jesus was birth from. Hence, their view of their religion and beliefs has not been diminished by their persecution. Seeing that you are chosen by the almighty mitigates the impact of the actions of mankind and their beliefs and actions on ones psychology. This is not to say that they did not experience psychological trauma, but they had their original culture and religion in tack to guide them through it.
The foundation of who black people were was largely stripped from them, giving them no foundation to stand on against the doctrine of white supremacy and black inferiority. Jewish religion and culture largely remained intact, after their persecutions, while black religion and culture was dismantled, largely, as a result of black oppression. We were given a white Jesus to worship, were told all things good was white while all things black are bad. Hence, blacks were conditioned to see themselves as less....with nothing of value in their image....certainly not God.
So you, in your great wisdom as a Christian, presume to tell us, Jewish people, why we believe we are being persecuted - and it's because we believe we are the chosen people?
News flash: NO Jew thinks we are persecuted because we are the "chosen people." (Also, tell me....since you know so much about Jews....what did G-d choose us FOR? You don't even know what that means.)
At what point does something stolen become rightfully owned by whomever stole it? My opinion is never, it will always be stolen. Slaves had their wages stolen from them for centuries under threat of physical brutality, just like a piece of garbage thief that steals things today under the threat of beating, stabbing, shooting someone.
The problem with reparations is figuring out who took what and who does it belong to now. With so much time gone, I don't see any way for it to be settled fairly, so I don't support reparations for that reason. Still seems obvious to me that large amounts of wealth were stolen through slavery.
Slavery reparations would be practically impossible to put into actual policy. There are far too many dynamics involved.
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