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Old 06-21-2019, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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So do I (although I would not make some books with pornographic or very gory photos available to children).

As far as I am concerned, if one is old enough to read, understand and enjoy the words of a particular book, s/he is old enough to make a decision as to whether or not to read it. For example, I would have no problem with any 11-year-old reading Lady Chatterley's Lover because s/he would probably find it incomprehensible and almost as boring as The History of Nail Fungus (if there was such a book). And if an 11-year-old was intelligent enough not to find Lady Chatterley's Lover boring, then I would encourage him or her to read anything s/he wanted.

However, that being said, I certainly do not approve of any book in which the encouragement of hatred in any form was the main point of it, and I certainly would not purchase such trash. Huckleberry Finn and the Little House books do NOT meet that criteria.
Oh sure.

I loved the "Little House" books as a kid. I just skipped tight past the racist languages and attitudes, I suppose because they simply didn't resonate with me.

Same with "Huckleberry Finn" - how could anyone focus on the N-word, and completely miss the fact that one of the main points of the book is Huck's growing awareness that Jim is a better person than most of the white folks that Huck meets? I read it when I was 11 - about the same time I saw Bull Connor using fire hoses on black people - so that resonated for me.

OTOH, I read "The Egg and I" as a kid, and thought it hilarious. I read it again recently for the first time in over 50 years, and was astounded that as a kid, I completely missed the fact that it was written by a deeply unhappy woman who hated just about everything about her life - something I found so blindingly obvious as an adult that I couldn't even enjoy the few truly funny scenes in it.
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:07 PM
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Umm I'm starting to think there are a lot of mentally ill people on this site.
They're also in libraries reading to children with the approval of also mentally ill on this site which you reference.
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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Drag queens are the over the top worst stereotype of women. Dresses, wigs, piled on makeup, high heels, big breasts ... and harpy snipe snipe snipey ...

Is that what you think women are like???
Not at all. But you can sure watch a lot of movies and TV shows, especially older ones, and see those same stereotypes on display, purportedly being serious depictions of women. As a feminist, I enjoy watching people POKE FUN at these stereotypes, especially because a concerted effort was made on me as a kid to conform to them.

Yes, drag queens are over the top. That's what makes them funny. Again, I think you don't seem to understand this humor thingy.


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Would you ask an African American if they think blackface is funny? What answer would you get?
I'd be interested in a black person's take on blackface, yes. But that's a good question, why I find drag queens funny, but don't find blackface the least bit amusing. I'll have to think about it, thanks for bringing it up.

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Old 06-21-2019, 12:10 PM
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Drag queens are the over the top worst stereotype of women. Dresses, wigs, piled on makeup, high heels, big breasts ... and harpy snipe snipe snipey ...

Is that what you think women are like???

Would you ask an African American if they think blackface is funny? What answer would you get?
Now, now, you can only poke fun of feminine women. You can't poke fun of masculine, lesbian or leftist(redundant, I know) ones.
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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Now, now, you can only poke fun of feminine women. You can't poke fun of masculine, lesbian or leftist(redundant, I know) ones.
1) I'm not the least bit masculine. You would have no trouble at all identifying me as female from quite a distance. I just don't conform to feminine stereotypes. Don't wear makeup, hate wearing high heels, don't even own a skirt, always made my own living, etc., etc. I insist on being female the way I want to be female, and the heck with what anyone else thinks.

2) I'm not a lesbian. I have had only male lovers/partners, and I have been pleased to count several men as genuine friends (as opposed to acquaintances).

3) Yup, I am a leftist.

You can poke fun at me, and if it's good-natured, I'll be happy to laugh right along with you.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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If "Little House" is racist, then is it more racist than arguably the most racist film ever, "Birth of A Nation" (silent film version)?
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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The links speak for themselves.

Libraries Respond: Drag Queen Story Hour | Advocacy, Legislation & Issues

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/25/62318...-from-book-awa

Of course, parents are free to make their own decisions, and if they want to simply not take their kids to drag queen story hour and continue having their kids read the Little House books, they are free to do so -- and that would be my personal choice if my kids were still young.

P.S. I just discovered that this story is five months old, but apparently, drag queen story hour is still continuing. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/50...een-story-hour
Nowhere in that NPR article did it say kids should not read Little House books.

It was about changing the name of an award.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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Amen. I don't know anything about the Little House books, but there's no harm to "drag queen story hour." For those that have a problem with it, I'd only ask this -- have you tried not caring? I think you'll find it very freeing. Just chill out for a minute, relax. You'll find that there's a lot of issues actually worth fighting about, and more worthy of your time and energy.
Agreed. People want to brand drag queens as deviants and gay people as some sort of sex freaks, but let them try to do something nice, like read books to kids, and they're criticized for volunteering.

Sheesh.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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Drag queens are the over the top worst stereotype of women. Dresses, wigs, piled on makeup, high heels, big breasts ... and harpy snipe snipe snipey ...

Is that what you think women are like???

Would you ask an African American if they think blackface is funny? What answer would you get?
No, and that isn't what drag queens think women are like.
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Old 06-21-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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Nowhere in that NPR article did it say kids should not read Little House books.

It was about changing the name of an award.
Right, I know that. But the point is that some librarians no longer think that the Little House books are "good" books, and it was implied that Laura Ingalls Wilder was a racist, which she might have been, but as has been pointed out many times, her views were not out of line with the vast majority of those in her generation. Now I don't think those views are correct, but as many other people have said, I don't think one should cast a slur on people who are long dead because they were ignorant and simply did not know any better. Also, if some people had their way, many old books would be banned due to the racism and/or out-of-date ideas they stated.

From the article: "The decision was made in consideration of the fact that Wilder's legacy, as represented by her body of work, includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC's core values of inclusiveness, integrity and respect, and responsiveness"

Also, if some people had their way (and I am not referring to you!), many old books would be banned due to the racism and/or out-of-date ideas they stated.

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