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Old 06-25-2019, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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They are a sovereign country... So what? I can give a rats arse what they want. They can comply or they can cease to be a sovereign country... I am not asking Iran to give up nukes, I am telling it to...
And Iran has a legal, moral and ethical right to ignore you, even more so since you don't have legal, moral or ethical right to tell them what to do.

If developing nuclear weapons is the only way Iran can stop the pending US attack, then that's what Iran should do. In fact, that's what every country should do.

If you're concerned about nuclear proliferation, then perhaps you should stop attacking other countries.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Russians have no business in iran, tjan they had in syria.
And, pray tell, what business does the US have in Iran and Syria?

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I do not agree on the Russians, they are rather active in the Middle East now, although I don't know what exactly their strategy is.
I do, especially since I worked on the doctrines and plans for US Geo-Strategy.

Their Geo-Political Strategy is to thwart US Geo-Political Strategy.

In case you hadn't noticed, the Russians have been driven out of the Mediterranean Region.

Can the Russians base ships or bombers or forward operating bases in Yugoslavia?

No, because there is no Yugoslavia. There's only Serbia.

Publicly, the US decried the break-up of Yugoslavia, but secretly, the US was funding and arming Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija.

If you read Media reports from the period, you never see any mention of Kosovo-Metohija.

Who on this forum would like to know why?

Because it was part of the US propaganda and disinformation campaign.

Metohija is the western province of the Autonomous Kosovo Region. It is inhabited by Serbs and there's monasteries and churches built by the Byzantine or Eastern Roman Empire, whatever you want to call it.

The Province of Kosovo was settled by Albanian Muslims known as Kosovars. Southern Albania remained Catholic, but northern Albanian voluntarily converted to Islam, and after the Battle of Kosovo Polje, the Seljuk Turks or Ottomans invited them to settle in the region.

If Americans were aware of Metohija, they might correctly conclude that Serbia really does have a legitimate claim to the land, and the government never wanted Americans to come to that conclusion.

Not to mention several key Democrats had financial stakes in Kosovo:

Kosovo's PTK privatization: with a little help from old friends

The company of former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright “Albright Capital Management LLC” has been shortlisted for the privatisation of PTK, Kosovo’s state-owned postal and telecom company.


Wesley Clark puts name behind Kosovo coal project | Marketplace.org

The Envidity Company owned by General Clark has filed its request to the government of the self-proclaimed republic for permission to extract coal from the deposits in the western part of Kosovo, the Serbian news service B-92 reported on June 26.

And the interesting thing about this is Bill Clinton violated both US laws and UN Security Council Resolutions by giving money to Pakistan to buy weapons from Iran, which were then shipped to Albania.

In Albania, an al-Qaida lieutenant, al-Zawahiri, was smuggling those weapons into Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzogovina with the help of the CIA and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and VEVAK.

You can read the unclassified versions of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee reports if you want more information.

Anyway, Russia can no longer port ships in the Adriatic, or base aircraft in Serbia, since Serbia is surrounded by the US and the Patriot Missile System.

Thanks to Bush and Obama, and their channeling money to "pro-democracy" groups and Arab Spring, the Russians can no longer port ships or base aircraft in Libya or Tunisia.

Syria is the only place left.

And, why does the US need to do that?

Because the US is going invade Iran.

The US needs Iran in order to have air, rail and highway access from the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean Region to the Five Central Asian States.

From Iran, the US can push its hegemony on Central Asia that it used to have under Bill Clinton, but lost because the US has no way to push hegemony and exercise control.

From Central Asia, the US can channel money and weapons to "pro-democracy" groups in the eastern Russian republics for an "Indigenous Spring."

When Russia moves to crush the rebellions, the US and Brits will impose a No-Fly Zone operating from bases in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Central Asia.

And, why? Because Central Asia has 5x-7x the amount of oil and natural gas that the Middle East has and the eastern Russian republics have 2x more oil and natural gas than Central Asia, or 10x-14x the amount of the Middle East and North Africa.

Plus the US gets control of all the other goodies like metal ores and non-metallic minerals.

That's the plan. It's been the plan for decades and the US is not going to change plans in your life-time or the life-times of your children or grandchildren.

And, why? Because there's no other viable strategy that will allow the US to rule the World.

You cannot go back to the Pacific Rim Strategy, because that would put you in direct conflict with China, and China is the whole freaking reason you abandoned that plan in the first place.

That was the real reason why Nixon went to China. It was to get certain security assurances and guarantees to protect our allies Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines.
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Always interesting to enter a thread late. The topic was Iran shooting down a drone and somehow people are arguing over male and female apes.
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:26 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I think China is pushing into central Asia, with their new silk road for instance. They also have successful cross-border economic projects.

I don't think those US plans will lead anywhere, if they exist in the first place. In the long run the US will continue to lose influence. China and Russia seem to be growing closer together by the day, complementing each other pretty well and sharing many views.
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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And, pray tell, what business does the US have in Iran and Syria?



I do, especially since I worked on the doctrines and plans for US Geo-Strategy.

Their Geo-Political Strategy is to thwart US Geo-Political Strategy.

In case you hadn't noticed, the Russians have been driven out of the Mediterranean Region.

Can the Russians base ships or bombers or forward operating bases in Yugoslavia?

No, because there is no Yugoslavia. There's only Serbia.

Publicly, the US decried the break-up of Yugoslavia, but secretly, the US was funding and arming Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija.

If you read Media reports from the period, you never see any mention of Kosovo-Metohija.

Who on this forum would like to know why?

Because it was part of the US propaganda and disinformation campaign.

Metohija is the western province of the Autonomous Kosovo Region. It is inhabited by Serbs and there's monasteries and churches built by the Byzantine or Eastern Roman Empire, whatever you want to call it.

The Province of Kosovo was settled by Albanian Muslims known as Kosovars. Southern Albania remained Catholic, but northern Albanian voluntarily converted to Islam, and after the Battle of Kosovo Polje, the Seljuk Turks or Ottomans invited them to settle in the region.

If Americans were aware of Metohija, they might correctly conclude that Serbia really does have a legitimate claim to the land, and the government never wanted Americans to come to that conclusion.

Not to mention several key Democrats had financial stakes in Kosovo:

Kosovo's PTK privatization: with a little help from old friends

The company of former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright “Albright Capital Management LLC” has been shortlisted for the privatisation of PTK, Kosovo’s state-owned postal and telecom company.


Wesley Clark puts name behind Kosovo coal project | Marketplace.org

The Envidity Company owned by General Clark has filed its request to the government of the self-proclaimed republic for permission to extract coal from the deposits in the western part of Kosovo, the Serbian news service B-92 reported on June 26.

And the interesting thing about this is Bill Clinton violated both US laws and UN Security Council Resolutions by giving money to Pakistan to buy weapons from Iran, which were then shipped to Albania.

In Albania, an al-Qaida lieutenant, al-Zawahiri, was smuggling those weapons into Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzogovina with the help of the CIA and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and VEVAK.

You can read the unclassified versions of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee reports if you want more information.

Anyway, Russia can no longer port ships in the Adriatic, or base aircraft in Serbia, since Serbia is surrounded by the US and the Patriot Missile System.

Thanks to Bush and Obama, and their channeling money to "pro-democracy" groups and Arab Spring, the Russians can no longer port ships or base aircraft in Libya or Tunisia.

Syria is the only place left.

And, why does the US need to do that?

Because the US is going invade Iran.

The US needs Iran in order to have air, rail and highway access from the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean Region to the Five Central Asian States.

From Iran, the US can push its hegemony on Central Asia that it used to have under Bill Clinton, but lost because the US has no way to push hegemony and exercise control.

From Central Asia, the US can channel money and weapons to "pro-democracy" groups in the eastern Russian republics for an "Indigenous Spring."

When Russia moves to crush the rebellions, the US and Brits will impose a No-Fly Zone operating from bases in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Central Asia.

And, why? Because Central Asia has 5x-7x the amount of oil and natural gas that the Middle East has and the eastern Russian republics have 2x more oil and natural gas than Central Asia, or 10x-14x the amount of the Middle East and North Africa.

Plus the US gets control of all the other goodies like metal ores and non-metallic minerals.

That's the plan. It's been the plan for decades and the US is not going to change plans in your life-time or the life-times of your children or grandchildren.

And, why? Because there's no other viable strategy that will allow the US to rule the World.

You cannot go back to the Pacific Rim Strategy, because that would put you in direct conflict with China, and China is the whole freaking reason you abandoned that plan in the first place.

That was the real reason why Nixon went to China. It was to get certain security assurances and guarantees to protect our allies Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines.
Well said. Most Americans are too stupid to understand that the US has such. Grand strategy. When the US attacks Iran, China should immediately attack Taiwan nd the bck the island.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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Always interesting to enter a thread late. The topic was Iran shooting down a drone and somehow people are arguing over male and female apes.
It had something to do with how male apes can deal with the likes of Iran better than female apes, but as also noted, probably best to never mind those notions and comments all considered...
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Neuling View Post
I think China is pushing into central Asia, with their new silk road for instance. They also have successful cross-border economic projects.

I don't think those US plans will lead anywhere, if they exist in the first place. In the long run the US will continue to lose influence. China and Russia seem to be growing closer together by the day, complementing each other pretty well and sharing many views.
Not to worry. Per Mircea, our geo-political plan was laid out in detail long ago and being adhered to still to this day with 100% success so far.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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Well said. Most Americans are too stupid to understand that the US has such. Grand strategy. When the US attacks Iran, China should immediately attack Taiwan nd the bck the island.
Given our most recent choice for POTUS, there seems no end to just how stupid Americans can be!

Not sure if this is part of our grand geo-political plan, but I do know some evangelists who seem to think Trump is part of a plan a good deal bigger than the United States...
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mircea View Post
And, pray tell, what business does the US have in Iran and Syria?



I do, especially since I worked on the doctrines and plans for US Geo-Strategy.

Their Geo-Political Strategy is to thwart US Geo-Political Strategy.

In case you hadn't noticed, the Russians have been driven out of the Mediterranean Region.

Can the Russians base ships or bombers or forward operating bases in Yugoslavia?

No, because there is no Yugoslavia. There's only Serbia.

Publicly, the US decried the break-up of Yugoslavia, but secretly, the US was funding and arming Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Kosovo-Metohija.

If you read Media reports from the period, you never see any mention of Kosovo-Metohija.

Who on this forum would like to know why?

Because it was part of the US propaganda and disinformation campaign.

Metohija is the western province of the Autonomous Kosovo Region. It is inhabited by Serbs and there's monasteries and churches built by the Byzantine or Eastern Roman Empire, whatever you want to call it.

The Province of Kosovo was settled by Albanian Muslims known as Kosovars. Southern Albania remained Catholic, but northern Albanian voluntarily converted to Islam, and after the Battle of Kosovo Polje, the Seljuk Turks or Ottomans invited them to settle in the region.

If Americans were aware of Metohija, they might correctly conclude that Serbia really does have a legitimate claim to the land, and the government never wanted Americans to come to that conclusion.

Not to mention several key Democrats had financial stakes in Kosovo:

Kosovo's PTK privatization: with a little help from old friends

The company of former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright “Albright Capital Management LLC” has been shortlisted for the privatisation of PTK, Kosovo’s state-owned postal and telecom company.


Wesley Clark puts name behind Kosovo coal project | Marketplace.org

The Envidity Company owned by General Clark has filed its request to the government of the self-proclaimed republic for permission to extract coal from the deposits in the western part of Kosovo, the Serbian news service B-92 reported on June 26.

And the interesting thing about this is Bill Clinton violated both US laws and UN Security Council Resolutions by giving money to Pakistan to buy weapons from Iran, which were then shipped to Albania.

In Albania, an al-Qaida lieutenant, al-Zawahiri, was smuggling those weapons into Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzogovina with the help of the CIA and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and VEVAK.

You can read the unclassified versions of the House and Senate Intelligence Committee reports if you want more information.

Anyway, Russia can no longer port ships in the Adriatic, or base aircraft in Serbia, since Serbia is surrounded by the US and the Patriot Missile System.

Thanks to Bush and Obama, and their channeling money to "pro-democracy" groups and Arab Spring, the Russians can no longer port ships or base aircraft in Libya or Tunisia.

Syria is the only place left.

And, why does the US need to do that?

Because the US is going invade Iran.

The US needs Iran in order to have air, rail and highway access from the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean Region to the Five Central Asian States.

From Iran, the US can push its hegemony on Central Asia that it used to have under Bill Clinton, but lost because the US has no way to push hegemony and exercise control.

From Central Asia, the US can channel money and weapons to "pro-democracy" groups in the eastern Russian republics for an "Indigenous Spring."

When Russia moves to crush the rebellions, the US and Brits will impose a No-Fly Zone operating from bases in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Central Asia.

And, why? Because Central Asia has 5x-7x the amount of oil and natural gas that the Middle East has and the eastern Russian republics have 2x more oil and natural gas than Central Asia, or 10x-14x the amount of the Middle East and North Africa.

Plus the US gets control of all the other goodies like metal ores and non-metallic minerals.

That's the plan. It's been the plan for decades and the US is not going to change plans in your life-time or the life-times of your children or grandchildren.

And, why? Because there's no other viable strategy that will allow the US to rule the World.

You cannot go back to the Pacific Rim Strategy, because that would put you in direct conflict with China, and China is the whole freaking reason you abandoned that plan in the first place.

That was the real reason why Nixon went to China. It was to get certain security assurances and guarantees to protect our allies Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines.
Nice deflectio as usual. YOu said this a month agao and I asked why Russia wasnt crushed in 92 when they were at their weakest in history. Yugoslavia was also broken up at that time.

And I will tell you one more thing, from 60s to now, from Kissinger to Kushner, there is always an "alleged" dual citizen shaping up America s foreign policy. The Russia, CIS story is just a illustrious illusion.

I have personally seen the good effects of capitalism + plus the effects of cheap loans and debt that follows the initial honeymoon period of cheap money .
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Not to worry. Per Mircea, our geo-political plan was laid out in detail long ago and being adhered to still to this day with 100% success so far.
Hehe

It doesn't make much sense to pursue old plans when everything is changing so fast.

The world today is awash in oil, new reserves are being found around the world all the time.
Plus, there is the push towards electric mobility and an increasing crusade against plastics because of health threats and pollution. All those developments will continue to intensify and sooner or later the global demand for oil will decrease, with various sources to choose from.

By that time, however, we might already be facing much greater problems due to the environment and the economy might only play a minor role as the survival of mankind is at stake.

The whole idea that one can simply invade a country and steal its land and stuff or use it as a transit is outdated. The Taliban already showed how even a small group can make life hell for any occupant. Imagine a people of 80+ million educated and proud, patriotic Iranians.
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