Iran shot down our drone in international airspace (banks, prison, business)
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I side with right. I can’t side with anything else.
Moreover, why shouldn’t Iran play a role in Iraq, even if it’s a role you don’t like? That’s what we do in our hemisphere except that we have less of a good reason to do it than Iran does. None of our neighbors have ever threatened us, yet we’ve made a mess of several co-hemispheric nations. Guatemala or Chile never did a thing to threaten the United States.
Iran on the other hand was invaded by Iraq. so naturally they’d support fellow Shia in Iraq. That makes sense.
And accusing the Iranians of playing games with the Saudis is pretty one sided. The Saudis are snakes.
As to Iran’s non recognition of Israel, that’s nothing to me. It’s meaningless. That’s Israel’s problem, not ours.
You beat me to it...
Thanks. I always cringe when people seem to "side" with their side regardless the right or wrong of their side. We Americans have much to be proud about, but any American who doesn't recognize where we have also done wrong makes it all the more likely that America -- our leadership -- does wrong again. Wrongs on the part of the most rich and powerful country on the planet have very serious consequences not only for America but the rest of the world, so yes, please, let's support the side of right above all else.
In typical bread-basket American fashion, our knowledge and perspective about American foreign and domestic policy, the FULL history, tends to be heavily slanted toward some comfort we've always been on the side of right, but how can anyone believe such an impossibility? How can we always feel we are innocent and only "defending ourselves" whenever other countries begin to think of us as their enemies? We dismiss all that leads up to these tensions. That or we don't know the full history, documented and/or undocumented, and as a result, we simply get behind retaliation for the latest attack on the United States. We simply get behind a POTUS who seems to relish the opportunity to mouth off like a fool.
Always it seems we ignore that we are forever "in their sand box," going back a very long time now. Somehow we expect all of the ME to forget all this history, as if they too are fools. When, for example, has any country in the ME been "in our sand box" militarily, economically or politically? Sure we've needed the oil, but have we always been in the right when it comes to how we've gone about securing it? Are we not still "paying the price" for how the ME was carved up after WWII? All perfectly done far as we are concerned? Far as the countries in the ME are concerned?
We should now somehow expect Iran to play nice? After Iran joined in the nuclear deal with us and our allies only to have Trump unilaterally pull us out of the agreement to the dismay of all others concerned? I mean what else should we expect from Iran? Amazing it hasn't got much worse already, and with Trump still in office, it's anyone's guess how much worse it will get, utterly unnecessarily!
Thanks. I always cringe when people seem to "side" with their side regardless the right or wrong of their side. We Americans have much to be proud about, but any American who doesn't recognize where we have also done wrong makes it all the more likely that America -- our leadership -- does wrong again. Wrongs on the part of the most rich and powerful country on the planet have very serious consequences not only for America but the rest of the world, so yes, please, let's support the side of right above all else.
In typical bread-basket American fashion, our knowledge and perspective about American foreign and domestic policy, the FULL history, tends to be heavily slanted toward some comfort we've always been on the side of right, but how can anyone believe such an impossibility? How can we always feel we are innocent and only "defending ourselves" whenever other countries begin to think of us as their enemies? We dismiss all that leads up to these tensions. That or we don't know the full history, documented and/or undocumented, and as a result, we simply get behind retaliation for the latest attack on the United States. We simply get behind a POTUS who seems to relish the opportunity to mouth off like a fool.
Always it seems we ignore that we are forever "in their sand box," going back a very long time now. Somehow we expect all of the ME to forget all this history, as if they too are fools. When, for example, has any country in the ME been "in our sand box" militarily, economically or politically? Sure we've needed the oil, but have we always been in the right when it comes to how we've gone about securing it? Are we not still "paying the price" for how the ME was carved up after WWII? All perfectly done far as we are concerned? Far as the countries in the ME are concerned?
We should now somehow expect Iran to play nice? After Iran joined in the nuclear deal with us and our allies only to have Trump unilaterally pull us out of the agreement to the dismay of all others concerned? I mean what else should we expect from Iran? Amazing it hasn't got much worse already, and with Trump still in office, it's anyone's guess how much worse it will get, utterly unnecessarily!
Exactly.
I mean, that poster actually tried to implicate Iran in our invasion of Iraq!!
Why are we paying $180 million for a drone and sending it to the other side of the world?
Because the Iranian have the capability of closing the strait of Hormuz, that would stop the flow of 20% of oil and 1/3 gas worldwide. The spy drone was taking high definition pictures to know what Iran can do there. The geography gives Iran a great advantage. There was a warning to leave, but I guess the intelligence was worth the price.
I doubt this will lead to actual war, just more sanctions so Iranians can't buy things like medicine, parts, etc. How so? Financial institutions follow what the US says: do not take money from Iranians. There are ways to go around it, but it's increasingly difficult.
Because the Iranian have the capability of closing the strait of Hormuz, that would stop the flow of 20% of oil and 1/3 gas worldwide. The spy drone was taking high definition pictures to know what Iran can do there. The geography gives Iran a great advantage. There was a warning to leave, but I guess the intelligence was worth the price.
I doubt this will lead to actual war, just more sanctions so Iranians can't buy things like medicine, parts, etc. How so? Financial institutions follow what the US says: do not take money from Iranians. There are ways to go around it, but it's increasingly difficult.
I wouldn't be so inclined to think sanctions don't lead to war. Not like there isn't plenty of history to consider how non-military acts have lead to military acts. Hard to argue the agreement with Iran and our allies that Trump decided to renege on wasn't the better way to go all considered...
Because the Iranian have the capability of closing the strait of Hormuz, that would stop the flow of 20% of oil and 1/3 gas worldwide. The spy drone was taking high definition pictures to know what Iran can do there. The geography gives Iran a great advantage. There was a warning to leave, but I guess the intelligence was worth the price.
I doubt this will lead to actual war, just more sanctions so Iranians can't buy things like medicine, parts, etc. How so? Financial institutions follow what the US says: do not take money from Iranians. There are ways to go around it, but it's increasingly difficult.
Last time I looked, the US does not border the Strait of Hormuz, so in other words, not our problem. For those countries who do border and have control over the area, it is their problem to deal with.
Because the Iranian have the capability of closing the strait of Hormuz, that would stop the flow of 20% of oil and 1/3 gas worldwide.
And bats have the capability to fly out my backside but that isn't going to happen either.
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Originally Posted by thelogo
The spy drone was taking high definition pictures to know what Iran can do there. The geography gives Iran a great advantage. There was a warning to leave, but I guess the intelligence was worth the price.
I doubt this will lead to actual war, just more sanctions so Iranians can't buy things like medicine, parts, etc. How so? Financial institutions follow what the US says: do not take money from Iranians. There are ways to go around it, but it's increasingly difficult.
We can take high definition pictures from outer space.
from 2013 DARPA and the US Army have taken the wraps off ARGUS-IS, a 1.8-gigapixel video surveillance platform that can resolve details as small as six inches from an altitude of 20,000 feet (6km). ARGUS is by far the highest-resolution surveillance platform in the world, and probably the highest-resolution camera in the world, period.
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